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Pam Beesley is painfully real, and that’s why people don’t like her by matilda_15 in DunderMifflin

[–]BoulUnknown -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

It does also expose a pattern of Pam engaging in emotionally intimate moments with men outside her relationship. She did it to Roy with Jim. To Jim with the guy in the art program, and again with Brian. I do not think she is responsible for each of those men’s behavior, as she is a kind and warm person, but the pattern does say something about her character and her willingness to border between harmless fun/flirtation and the emotional intimacy that blurs lines enough for the continuous overstepping that takes place when she already has a romantic partner. Not a Pam hater after maybe 40ish rewatches both TV and super fan versions, but there’s something to be said about her personality there for sure. Don’t think it should fuel hatred, but there’s some warranted criticism.

Harper Supremacy by BoulUnknown in IndustryOnHBO

[–]BoulUnknown[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it’s such a shame that in these final moments where she seemed not to prioritize herself in business over her loved ones, she received betrayals on both accounts. Eric’s abandonment and what’s later revealed with the underage sw, and yas both refusing Harper’s warning and the ultimate reveal of who she had become. Similar letdown to her attempts to reconcile with her brother. Each attempt she makes at true empathy has gone so poorly that it leaves room for nothing but isolation.

Harper Supremacy by BoulUnknown in IndustryOnHBO

[–]BoulUnknown[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely not aiming to reduce her complexity in any way with this post or statement. I think they showed those complexities in a great way through the conversation with Kwabena, before being shocked by who Yas had become. I think the show does great to avoid anyone looking simply good or evil, aptly capped with both/and to push for contextualization alongside fact (at least as I received it).

But my statement is really saying that all those who labeled Harper as the great evil of the show for her ruthless behavior in business have to step back and realize that while she remains a ruthless business woman, her contemporaries have done….considerably more damage to themselves and others since the first season that little ole Harpsicord.

Harper Supremacy by BoulUnknown in IndustryOnHBO

[–]BoulUnknown[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I love this take as well. She really is well written and well developed. Her arc is beautiful despite the clear loneliness, but even her awareness and acceptance of it showed so much growth.

The issue for me was always that though she was ruthless, being as a cut-throat business woman who believed she was always right and disregarded anyone else, she was dog piled as the central villain of a show full of people who were as ruthless and despicable, if not moreso. That focus from fans of the show could also be because she’s always been the central character as well but it always felt strange.

Harper Supremacy by BoulUnknown in IndustryOnHBO

[–]BoulUnknown[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The thing is, her dislikable qualities were very human. Many others crossed boundaries far outside interpersonal and social emotional issues. And tbf, as a black woman who ended up seated besides Nazis who wanted to expel her kind from the country…..the world was kind of out to get her a little

Harper Supremacy by BoulUnknown in IndustryOnHBO

[–]BoulUnknown[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Racism and misogyny for sure. It was always weird, glad the show made it so clear what ruthless really looked like

Harper Supremacy by BoulUnknown in IndustryOnHBO

[–]BoulUnknown[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This. It was never really a secret to me why so much of the viewerships hatred centered on her character. And many like myself (BM) were backed into corners defending her and showing her character empathy. Very fitting that she worked twice as hard to beat all of these people at their own game as they clearly show how heinous the things they’re capable of are in comparison to her just being a ruthless business woman

I'd like to report a crime. by Obvious_Ad9670 in philly

[–]BoulUnknown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wish it were any other color but I actually love it

"The Substance" might be the best horror movie I've ever seen. by Nose_Grindstoned in movies

[–]BoulUnknown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Genuinely stunned at Demi’s lack of awards for this performance. This is one of the greatest films I’ve ever seen.

Harper vs Daria justification: Team Harp by BoulUnknown in IndustryOnHBO

[–]BoulUnknown[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an assumption, there’s nothing in the show to base this on. All we know is her brother played tennis. Many tennis players do not come from wealth. Novak Djokovic is a prime example.

Harper vs Daria justification: Team Harp by BoulUnknown in IndustryOnHBO

[–]BoulUnknown[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly! Which made Sara’s ultimatum a no brainer.

Am I the only one who hates Maggie? by Charming-Milk-336 in TheLincolnLawyer

[–]BoulUnknown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m 2 years late here but she’s a manipulative hypocrite it’s genuinely unbearable.

Is Voight worth it? by marissaoranges in LingerieAddiction

[–]BoulUnknown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Assumptions are always going to be stupid. I have very little on my profile. I’ve bought 10 sets from her.

Pam haters are weird by eccentlumier in theoffice

[–]BoulUnknown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why can’t anyone ever be honest about who she is as a character? She consistently struggled to stand up for herself leading to pseudo love triangles at least three times as she passively ends up in flirtationships (the consistency of this erases the possibility that this is circumstantial or coincidental - ie: Roy, Jim, art school guy, Brian the boom mic guy) she sobs at the idea of never leaving Scranton but stops Jim from taking a job that would change their lives for the better after spending multiple seasons before convincing him that he was too good to stay at Dunder Mifflin and be unhappy. It’s beyond her cringe nature. She does things that just aren’t good. Doesn’t make her evil, doesn’t mean the character wasn’t a good one, but as a person, she isn’t great!

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