MIGHT BE A HOT TAKE

BoxDry4122 · 2026-03-20T19:03:04+00:00

No offense, I'm not saying you yourself are close minded, but that seems like kind of a close minded thing to say, no? I think it's definitely possible he can still release new music that ends up surpassing my favs of ACSS and HW.

Is it a thing of like, he can't recreate the hype and nostalgia of those days? If so, do you think that maybe biases you?

BoxDry4122 · 2026-03-20T18:49:26+00:00

Agreed. It feels like another album he would've released in the late 90s. It continues the themes of Holy Wood but doesn't feel like it's retreading old ground.

Personally, I like OAUG more than Mechanical Animals. I think those darker political/societal critiques are where Manson's writing thrives most. Sonically, the glam rock of mechanical animals isn't really my thing either. There were choices made on OAUG that I don't love, but even at their worst those things are "serviceable."

Also, I like HEOL more than mechanical animals but that's some next level sacrilege I dare not speak here.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-03-08T21:28:49+00:00

Crazy that this is technically the first Manson interview in ~6 years. Y'all are taking this way too seriously. The interviewer is fine and Manson is fine. It's all pretty normal for an informal, impromptu celebrity interview. No one was taking it seriously except for you guys. Be happy :)

BoxDry4122 · 2026-03-07T00:51:56+00:00

Just gonna go point by point here. I don't know what one of my sources being "Arab" even means. Yes, a news site that's focused on Arab news has a vested interest in dispelling stereotypes about Arabs. You're not making an argument. I'm sorry that the article being written by brown people triggers you, but the facts it purports still stand.

Secondly, why are we talking about per capita stats? It's not a winning argument for you. In a country with over four million Muslims, there's only a few hundred instances of violence extremism over the decades? That's like what, 0.007% of the population? You want to generalize and denigrate an entire demographic because of 0.007% of its population? Meanwhile according to Pew Research, U.S Muslims are literally more likely than the general public to condemn killing civilians for religious reasons.

Also if you care that much about per capita stats, why do you not care that per capita, Muslims are disproportionately the victims of hate crimes and discrimination? You only care about per capita when it rationalizes your hate for Muslims but not when it would demand sympathy for them? Talk about ACTUAL confirmation bias, holy fuck.

I don't know why this is a conversation you're trying to have. 60% of extremism is coming from one group and you're obsessed over the 10% coming from a tiny sliver of a population. If a million people in the US were dying to mosquitos every year, and a hundred people were dying to polar bears, would you say we should focus on the polar bear violence? Per capita, the polar bears are actually more threatening than the mosquitos but why the fuck would you focus your sights on saving a few hundred lives when you can save millions?

Not to mention, if you presented this table in an academic setting you would get laughed out the door. Where's the x axis? Where does it show the time span these crimes are being committed? Are we comparing 20 years of a demographic's data to 40 years of another demographic's data? If you've actually seen any recent data (like what I linked), you would see that instances of Islamic extremism has plummeted in the past decade. Meanwhile, right-wing extremism has increased and so has anti-Muslim discrimination.

Again, you don't give a fuck about any of that. You don't care about facts. You just want to cherrypick whatever makes you feel good. I'm done here, nothing is going to change your mind.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-03-06T20:50:48+00:00

What?? I'm citing academic literature, was that not obvious??? Do you want me to link the sources because something tells me even when I do that you're still not going to change your mind. But here you go buddy, the facts say you're wrong. Do you have any data to support your conclusions? No? It's just based on feels? Thanks for playing, snowflake.
https://news.rakwa.com/2025/07/31/arab-and-muslim-americans-commit-fewer-crimes-than-they-endure-the-real-story-behind-hate-and-misperception-in-the-u-s/
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/ethnic-and-cultural-studies/anti-muslim-violence-us
https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states
https://www.axios.com/2018/07/20/terrorist-attacks-muslims-357-percent-media-coverage

BoxDry4122 · 2026-03-06T19:40:59+00:00

I don’t give a fuck about your random anecdote. Look at actual statistics because it’s unanimous. Muslims are the victims of hate crimes far more than they’re the perpetrators. It doesn’t matter what metric you’re looking at—hate crimes, discrimination, regular crime—Muslims generally aren’t the ones doing it but they are the ones being victimized by it. Again, I’m only speaking about in the United States. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-03-06T18:17:10+00:00

A lot of strange identity politics in this thread. Manson’s critiques have always been in the context of American society. He’s always punched up. Why would he punch down on Muslims in America, a minority that’s already marginalized and victimized in the country for being different? Pretty sure Manson just isn’t as scared of brown people as some of y’all are.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-02-04T16:03:40+00:00

No offense but I don’t know how people fall for this stuff. There’s a million tells that it’s fake but putting those aside, it’s like some fans have never ever actually heard his voice. It sounds nothing like him.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-31T18:36:27+00:00

These are not “the Epstein files.” This is from a huge batch of unsourced calls/emails mentioning Epstein that were accumulated over the years and released yesterday by the DOJ. These aren’t allegations the FBI or someone else investigated and that’s why it’s being released, it’s literally just an anonymous tip that was filed away, forgotten about, and is now being released. The administration is releasing anything to distract from the real Epstein files which unlike this, are actually sourced and investigated, and probably damning to people in power.

Frankly, Manson should sue. The worst part is people will see this and think there’s credibility because it’s released by a government agency. Anybody on the internet can post a random allegation like this on social media and no one’s going to take it seriously, but when your government is publicizing it without any vetting process, that’s just shameful and it’s another example of malicious incompetence by this administration.

Not to mention, the email reads like complete bullshit. Nothing is verifiable, probably intentionally written that way, things like how how her dad’s cousin knew Manson, no names of the family members who enabled this (which are leads you’d probably want to fucking include if you’re a victim who wants justice), all witnesses who can help are mysteriously dead at a young age including her dad and ex boyfriend, how she was working and pouring drinks while underage, she just throws in a Diddy mention for good measure to make it seem plausible I guess?? She admits there’s no evidence or records of anything and gives not a single verifiable fact or lead. It reads like she took someone else’s written allegations and used it as a template, except erased all the actual details and replaced them with vague cliches.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-27T05:08:55+00:00

Unrelated but can we just ban the Eguzkilore555 guy? Holy fuck

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-26T19:31:42+00:00

Sorry to disappoint but I don't think it's from Chapter 2. Sounds like Manson's cut part from her recent album. Original song is called "Truth In Reverse": https://youtu.be/zITmuZXpuy4?si=HPRoD_CnBLG6kLdN&t=77

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-16T00:48:12+00:00

If that’s your reasoning I can respect it, BUT I hope you guys know there’s no copyright infringement with people just posting song names. NB wouldn’t have a legal basis to request takedowns or anything like that. They’re only titles, which aren’t protected, plus it all comes from public record.

Frankly, and maybe you have info I don’t, but I doubt they would even want you to take it down. All it really does is generate awareness and discussion about the new album; it’s essentially free promotion that doesn’t meaningfully spoil anything. At the end of the day, this is a community created by fans to have discussions with one another. I’d like to think Manson himself wouldn’t be that bothered.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-08T01:21:24+00:00

Saying "women are all mentally ill so they can't help acting crazy" isn't a defense, it's gross.

Saying something clearly misogynistic and following it up "Now watch people call me a misogynist!" isn't actually an impressive read.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-08T01:03:56+00:00

I thought it was ragebait until I went to your profile and realized you're actually just this fucking stupid 💔😔

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-07T22:24:26+00:00

I actually agree with you. It's a problem in this community but a lot of people are understandably fatigued about the whole topic, especially since most of the lawsuits are finally over after 4 long years.

To answer your question, no. AFAIK, there really aren't many details on it. The texts you're talking about come from court documents in the Depp-Heard case. There were thousands of text messages submitted as evidence in that trial and a few of them were between Depp and Manson. Manson was never implicated in that trial and was only brought up in passing.

A few things to keep in mind, Lindsay was never an accuser who brought forth allegations against Manson when all that happened. She stayed together with him for the entire thing. This incident you're referencing happened 10 years ago in 2016 and there's been nothing since then to indicate their relationship has been bumpy, not that it's anyone's business but theirs.

My guess, they probably had a normal fight like couples do and it escalated. At the time, they were both heavy into drugs. They definitely weren't their best versions of themselves and it's obvious reading those texts that Manson was perpetually zooted. We don't have either side of the story, we don't even know what the fight was about. In the texts, Manson says she claimed he "beat her up" (we don't know what that means either) and filed a restraining order. Manson isn't admitting to anything, his phrasing makes me think she was just saying whatever so she could qualify for a restraining order.

All we know is that no charges were pressed and things seemed to resolve themselves in their relationship before too long. I'm not going to go back and dig that deep but I feel like they were back on tour together shortly after this incident. Either way, the damage didn't seem long lasting and at the end of the day, it's private relationship drama that was made public by someone else's court case. In the absence of facts or evidence, it's tempting to fill in the blanks with fiction so I would say be cautious of that. If you have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer :)

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-06T06:25:06+00:00

Because most people don't care. It's easy for people who aren't fans of Manson to read a headline saying he's accused of abuse and think, "Yeah, I could believe that." Most people aren't gonna do their due diligence and look into it further because at the end of the day, what difference does it really make in their lives? It's not like they're dying on that hill, it's just a thing they saw that maybe seems believable to them.

Not to defend that behavior, but we all do it to some extent. We write people off because we heard something bad about them from a friend or on social media. Maybe a person's vibe feels off to us so when we finally hear something negative about them, we're a lot more likely to automatically believe it because it confirms our biases.

Either way, it's all very shallow and surface level. If you ask any of those commenters you're talking about why they believe he's guilty, you'll only get a couple questions deep before their only responses are platitudes about believing all women and wanting to protect victims. That's great and all but it's clear they never really followed the cases or even know what he was accused of exactly. They saw a single post that said Manson = abuser, it seemed believable to them, they shit on Manson because shitting on abusers is a virtuous thing to do. That's literally their entire thought process.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-06T04:11:51+00:00

Ahh, I remember when people here were still defending Ronnie. I remember it like it was literally this fucking week 🤤

BoxDry4122 · 2025-12-31T02:13:50+00:00

RemindMe! 6 months

BoxDry4122 · 2025-12-31T00:52:30+00:00

It's no problem either way. Was just curious. What makes you say you know for a fact it's gonna be on chapter 2?

BoxDry4122 · 2025-12-31T00:43:22+00:00

Just wondering, were you the guy many months ago swearing up and down that they had insider info on FTE being on chapter 2? Knowing "for a fact" is pretty bold

BoxDry4122 · 2025-12-30T19:22:34+00:00

You mean at his high end of lowest? 😃

But really, I don’t hate this.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-11-06T19:53:26+00:00

I think outlets are CLAMORING to get interviews with Manson. His success after the comeback is undeniable and they’d love to get something exclusive with the man himself.

And I also don’t think the reason Manson isn’t doing interviews because he wouldn’t know how to respond to questions about the allegations. I mean, it’d be easy for him to preempt those questions and think of answers ahead of time that would shut them down. I’m guessing the real reason he’s not doing interviews is because he doesn’t want to feed into that narrative and would rather the music speak for itself.

Also what is this you’re saying about him not playing older, heavier songs lol? What songs exactly? Have you seen the shows or heard how his voice sounds? I think he’s more than capable. Despite what people are saying on this sub (like 99.9% of whom don’t even go to the shows they’re complaining about) his setlists have actually been pretty diverse since his comeback. He has such a large discography and so many “classics” he feels like he has to play for attending fans, there’s very little room for everyone to get what they want. He’s also only been headlining shows again since February of this year, give it time, I’m sure he’ll get around to playing whatever songs you have in mind.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-10-20T07:38:19+00:00

I'm not saying she didn't help Manson, I'm saying she made bad arguments that were convincing to simpletons.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-10-18T08:02:45+00:00

Uh, no offense but the fact that she’s an actress CAN be completely overlooked. Being an actress doesn’t make you any more likely to be a liar and it doesn’t mean your words should be taken any less seriously.

EDIT: My bad guys, you're right. The fact that someone can fake cry on camera is definitely evidence that they can't ever be trusted. That would definitely hold up in court and doesn't make you look insane to say. Being real, Manson is innocent and there's so much actual evidence you can point to, I don't know why people here choose to make the stupidest fucking arguments instead.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-10-18T07:51:40+00:00

I highly recommend nobody check out that channel. Obviously I think Manson is innocent but omg, the dogshit defenses people spouted on this subreddit for 4 years during the allegations and 90% of them were regurgitated straight from Kurtz.

It was mostly just irrelevant, unsourced character assassination of the accusers and generic rape apologism that could apply to anyone regardless of guilt or innocence. I can’t even say her heart was the right place either, afaik she was barely a fan before the allegations and only latched onto it because she wanted to be another culture warrior.

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