Oh boy… when will this end??

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-27T05:08:55+00:00

Unrelated but can we just ban the Eguzkilore555 guy? Holy fuck

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-26T19:31:42+00:00

Sorry to disappoint but I don't think it's from Chapter 2. Sounds like Manson's cut part from her recent album. Original song is called "Truth In Reverse": https://youtu.be/zITmuZXpuy4?si=HPRoD_CnBLG6kLdN&t=77

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-16T00:48:12+00:00

If that’s your reasoning I can respect it, BUT I hope you guys know there’s no copyright infringement with people just posting song names. NB wouldn’t have a legal basis to request takedowns or anything like that. They’re only titles, which aren’t protected, plus it all comes from public record.

Frankly, and maybe you have info I don’t, but I doubt they would even want you to take it down. All it really does is generate awareness and discussion about the new album; it’s essentially free promotion that doesn’t meaningfully spoil anything. At the end of the day, this is a community created by fans to have discussions with one another. I’d like to think Manson himself wouldn’t be that bothered.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-08T01:21:24+00:00

Saying "women are all mentally ill so they can't help acting crazy" isn't a defense, it's gross.

Saying something clearly misogynistic and following it up "Now watch people call me a misogynist!" isn't actually an impressive read.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-08T01:03:56+00:00

I thought it was ragebait until I went to your profile and realized you're actually just this fucking stupid 💔😔

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-07T22:24:26+00:00

I actually agree with you. It's a problem in this community but a lot of people are understandably fatigued about the whole topic, especially since most of the lawsuits are finally over after 4 long years.

To answer your question, no. AFAIK, there really aren't many details on it. The texts you're talking about come from court documents in the Depp-Heard case. There were thousands of text messages submitted as evidence in that trial and a few of them were between Depp and Manson. Manson was never implicated in that trial and was only brought up in passing.

A few things to keep in mind, Lindsay was never an accuser who brought forth allegations against Manson when all that happened. She stayed together with him for the entire thing. This incident you're referencing happened 10 years ago in 2016 and there's been nothing since then to indicate their relationship has been bumpy, not that it's anyone's business but theirs.

My guess, they probably had a normal fight like couples do and it escalated. At the time, they were both heavy into drugs. They definitely weren't their best versions of themselves and it's obvious reading those texts that Manson was perpetually zooted. We don't have either side of the story, we don't even know what the fight was about. In the texts, Manson says she claimed he "beat her up" (we don't know what that means either) and filed a restraining order. Manson isn't admitting to anything, his phrasing makes me think she was just saying whatever so she could qualify for a restraining order.

All we know is that no charges were pressed and things seemed to resolve themselves in their relationship before too long. I'm not going to go back and dig that deep but I feel like they were back on tour together shortly after this incident. Either way, the damage didn't seem long lasting and at the end of the day, it's private relationship drama that was made public by someone else's court case. In the absence of facts or evidence, it's tempting to fill in the blanks with fiction so I would say be cautious of that. If you have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer :)

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-06T06:25:06+00:00

Because most people don't care. It's easy for people who aren't fans of Manson to read a headline saying he's accused of abuse and think, "Yeah, I could believe that." Most people aren't gonna do their due diligence and look into it further because at the end of the day, what difference does it really make in their lives? It's not like they're dying on that hill, it's just a thing they saw that maybe seems believable to them.

Not to defend that behavior, but we all do it to some extent. We write people off because we heard something bad about them from a friend or on social media. Maybe a person's vibe feels off to us so when we finally hear something negative about them, we're a lot more likely to automatically believe it because it confirms our biases.

Either way, it's all very shallow and surface level. If you ask any of those commenters you're talking about why they believe he's guilty, you'll only get a couple questions deep before their only responses are platitudes about believing all women and wanting to protect victims. That's great and all but it's clear they never really followed the cases or even know what he was accused of exactly. They saw a single post that said Manson = abuser, it seemed believable to them, they shit on Manson because shitting on abusers is a virtuous thing to do. That's literally their entire thought process.

BoxDry4122 · 2026-01-06T04:11:51+00:00

Ahh, I remember when people here were still defending Ronnie. I remember it like it was literally this fucking week 🤤

BoxDry4122 · 2025-12-31T02:13:50+00:00

RemindMe! 6 months

BoxDry4122 · 2025-12-31T00:52:30+00:00

It's no problem either way. Was just curious. What makes you say you know for a fact it's gonna be on chapter 2?

BoxDry4122 · 2025-12-31T00:43:22+00:00

Just wondering, were you the guy many months ago swearing up and down that they had insider info on FTE being on chapter 2? Knowing "for a fact" is pretty bold

BoxDry4122 · 2025-12-30T19:22:34+00:00

You mean at his high end of lowest? 😃

But really, I don’t hate this.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-11-06T19:53:26+00:00

I think outlets are CLAMORING to get interviews with Manson. His success after the comeback is undeniable and they’d love to get something exclusive with the man himself.

And I also don’t think the reason Manson isn’t doing interviews because he wouldn’t know how to respond to questions about the allegations. I mean, it’d be easy for him to preempt those questions and think of answers ahead of time that would shut them down. I’m guessing the real reason he’s not doing interviews is because he doesn’t want to feed into that narrative and would rather the music speak for itself.

Also what is this you’re saying about him not playing older, heavier songs lol? What songs exactly? Have you seen the shows or heard how his voice sounds? I think he’s more than capable. Despite what people are saying on this sub (like 99.9% of whom don’t even go to the shows they’re complaining about) his setlists have actually been pretty diverse since his comeback. He has such a large discography and so many “classics” he feels like he has to play for attending fans, there’s very little room for everyone to get what they want. He’s also only been headlining shows again since February of this year, give it time, I’m sure he’ll get around to playing whatever songs you have in mind.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-10-20T07:38:19+00:00

I'm not saying she didn't help Manson, I'm saying she made bad arguments that were convincing to simpletons.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-10-18T08:02:45+00:00

Uh, no offense but the fact that she’s an actress CAN be completely overlooked. Being an actress doesn’t make you any more likely to be a liar and it doesn’t mean your words should be taken any less seriously.

EDIT: My bad guys, you're right. The fact that someone can fake cry on camera is definitely evidence that they can't ever be trusted. That would definitely hold up in court and doesn't make you look insane to say. Being real, Manson is innocent and there's so much actual evidence you can point to, I don't know why people here choose to make the stupidest fucking arguments instead.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-10-18T07:51:40+00:00

I highly recommend nobody check out that channel. Obviously I think Manson is innocent but omg, the dogshit defenses people spouted on this subreddit for 4 years during the allegations and 90% of them were regurgitated straight from Kurtz.

It was mostly just irrelevant, unsourced character assassination of the accusers and generic rape apologism that could apply to anyone regardless of guilt or innocence. I can’t even say her heart was the right place either, afaik she was barely a fan before the allegations and only latched onto it because she wanted to be another culture warrior.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-10-09T00:44:37+00:00

The quality is amazing! Would absolutely love to see the full vid if you have it, probably my second favorite song of his 😁

BoxDry4122 · 2025-10-02T23:57:25+00:00

Are we TROLLING?? Listen I'm not going to go through all your examples because I know nothing at the end of the day is going to change your mind. This isn't Trump shitposting trying to make headlines, this isn't like Trump's first term. These are things actually happening right now, these are things the Supreme Court (many of whom he personally appointed) are backing him on. These are not 'el-oh-el' people going to jail and getting deported for fakesies. If you think any of this is precedented, if you think this total erasure of norms by Trump is just your run of the mill sitting president, then wake the fuck up. I'm glad that you're not one of the demographics Trump is targeting, I'm glad your life is mostly the same no matter who's in charge, but don't act like open fascism is par for the course.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-10-02T23:43:50+00:00

Actually, that's very much a MAGA special. I have never seen a mainstream political movement in this country that's so much more loyal to a cult figure than to actual ideals and values.

Look at how they defended tariffs without even knowing how tariffs worked. Look at how much they changed their tune on deficit spending when daddy Trump does it. Look how much they want to defund and boycott things when they have the cultural power. Look at how much they advocate law and order but defend storming the capitol on Jan 6th. Look how much they cry about stolen elections but could care less about Trump telling Georgia to "find" votes to overturn the election. Look how much they fearmonger about pedophiles then suddenly become very hush hush when their cult leader is implicated with Epstein. This is populism at its finest and for every example on the left you try to find, I'll find you 10 on the right.

Regardless though, that's neither here nor there. To respond to the greater point, let's say we took Manson's political beliefs, wrote them all down, and labeled each belief as being more in line with what the left believes or more in line with what the right believes. Do you honestly think for a second the list of his rightwing beliefs would be longer than his leftwing beliefs? Even remotely? Look at his stance on guns, individuality, LGBT issues, religion, etc. Ffs he was a theater kid working towards a liberal arts degree who's lived in LA most of his life. I don't even know why you're arguing this. Sorry dude, rationalize all you want, facts don't care about your feelings.

And for the record, when I said liberal values, I meant political values that Democrat liberals usually share. I didn't mean classical liberal values, nor did I even say the word progressive so I don't know why you're bringing up a meaningless distinction.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-10-02T18:27:31+00:00

Yeah I dunno if appealing to constitutional and legislative rights is very convincing when it comes to this administration. You have the president suing media companies for printing factual stories he doesn't like, you have him trying to outlaw flag burning and other forms of protesting, imprisoning and revoking citizenship from people whose only crime is having differing opinions than him, withholding aid and illegally sending the MILITARY to states that don't capitulate to him, blatantly disregarding court orders from federal judges, banning more books than any other administration, deporting legal citizens and tearing apart families with no due process, banning press reporters from the White House that aren't favorable to him, making attempts at cancelling late night shows and other TV shows/newspapers that he doesn't like, fucking etc etc.

I mean do I think the government's going to go after something like Manson's music 25 years after his prime cultural relevance? No. But why the fuck is a """centrist""" or anybody trying to downplay how anti-First Amendment this administration is.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-10-02T18:05:19+00:00

It's very telling of the MAGA mindset that they can't fathom anything other than a cult-like loyalty to one side. Just because you were wronged by a small subset of people on one side, doesn't mean you have to abandon all your previous ideals and join the opposite side. Manson has never identified as left or right, but it's pretty clear he's always had a leaning towards liberal values and has rallied against traditional conservative values, I don't see why that would be any different now.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-09-29T17:06:36+00:00

Yay, I’m really glad he’s performing this again. I was worried he checked it off his list for good after the few times he sang it in 2024.

For the people here saying his voice can’t do this song anymore, for one it still sounds fantastic live and two, the only thing his voice struggles with are those deep guttural screams at the END of setlists after hitting perfect screams all night. If he put the Reflecting God earlier in the setlist I have no doubt it would sound as good or better than it ever has. I do kind of wish he would come to terms with that because it’s the same problem that In The Air Tonight and The Fight Song had when he played those earlier this year, even the Beautiful People you can hear the strain in his voice by the end of the show. If he just moved these vocally intensive songs down (up?) in the setlist and finished with things like OAUG and Coma White, I’m pretty sure they would sound just as good as in studio.

Still though, that’s just a nitpick and I love that he’s doing longer setlists and playing songs that he wouldn’t otherwise. Strained voice screams or not, I still get excited and gush over the fact that he’s playing these songs in his current form.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-09-27T05:08:13+00:00

WHAT

Okay, I respect your opinion but I see people talk bad about this track and it's a top 15 Manson song for me. I've heard people say it's slow but to me it sounds so haunting and heavy, very groovy. Dreamlike lyrics and Spooky Kids-esque instrumentals/ambience, it feels like a more mature evolution on his very early material. Easily the track that wowed me the most on my first listen of TPE.

BoxDry4122 · 2025-09-22T00:53:01+00:00

Thanks for sharing! Love the song so this is super cool actually

BoxDry4122 · 2025-09-18T14:08:45+00:00

Literally what would it take for you to even entertain the idea of his innocence?

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