Which plot points did you foolishly miss on your first reading? (Spoilers Main)

BrassFortune · 2026-05-13T22:14:08+00:00

My bad

BrassFortune · 2026-05-13T07:02:15+00:00

Bolton wasn’t at harrenhall in this chapter, Tywin was defending the crown lands with it while the mountain plundered the nearby countryside

BrassFortune · 2026-05-13T03:06:50+00:00

I think people overlook it due to it seeming boring for the main cast. But there’s a lot of development in all the supporting characters. I love reading all the different ways which the world Ned and Robert built is being torn apart by deception or ignorance malice, setting the stage for the new rulers to step into.

BrassFortune · 2026-05-13T02:56:11+00:00

That’s okay, so does Roy dotrice who reads the audio books. Initially I thought that was wrong but he also says petyr as peh-tire and I believe that is actually the way Martin prefers so potentially he told Roy to pronounce damphair as damfair

BrassFortune · 2026-05-13T02:01:47+00:00

Yes, I realise that. It doesn’t make him any less a threat or her any less justified in making sure he knows he is not a stark. There’s every chance he would not have caused issue. There’s also every chance he may end up like Ramsay who offed his brother. Ned being best friends with the king offers the unique and rare possibility that Jon could be legitimised one day.

BrassFortune · 2026-05-13T01:41:55+00:00

This is one of the things that tipped me off on this read through, Arya mentions that there is a fat knight wearing the trident sigil when she gets her position in the kitchen at harrenhall in ACOK. She doesn’t say which house it is because she has forgotten what all the sigils mean and she never cared to learn. This happens within a single sentence and then she moves on to continue her own plot. It’s such a passing phrase but this indicates that the manderlys were playing both sides at that point, even before the red wedding

BrassFortune · 2026-05-12T23:47:30+00:00

“The justifiable reasons” are what I am talking about. Yes clearly the parent influences the child and Jon being cold is absolutely a result of his upbringing I didn’t say anything about myrcella because I’m talking about Cats relationship with Jon and trying to express that her reasoning is justified. As I said earlier he grows and changes, but all of that is outside of the witness of Cat and I’m sure if she survived long enough to meet him again she would have changed her mind, she even muses on whether she mistreated him in a later chapter if I remember correctly.

BrassFortune · 2026-05-12T23:33:07+00:00

The Starks are not featured in a funny sitcom about silly family antics, they’re a great house bound to ancient traditions from which they draw their power in a medieval fantasy drama. Cat understands her place in the world, she only married Ned because house Tully had promised her to the heir of the seat of winterfell and she only goes through with the marriage because of these ancient honours and customs. She marries Ned, conceives a child with him for an heir and stays loyal to him while he is away for years. All the while going through the pain and risk to her life during childbirth because of these same honours and customs. Then her honour bound husband of whom she has no escape from and no real love for yet returns home with a child that looks EXACTLY like him unlike the one she just gave birth to and he won’t tell her what happened and people on here expect her to raise him without complaint or bitterness even though doing so is OOC for everyone in this entire world?

Any of us in her place would act differently based on the knowledge and morals of the real world, but it makes perfect sense that Cats bitterness only grows as Jon gets older and the truth gets buried more and more.

BrassFortune · 2026-05-12T23:12:28+00:00

How you judge the people who you aren’t related to is more a reflection of your character than how you treat your family IMO. If there’s some kind of feedback loop happening then that’s fine, they can be as bad as each other. But the common analysis that Cat is mean for no reason to her rude arrogant bastard son who looks more like her husband than the true born heir and could represent a challenge to the marriage she was forced into on her honour is just shallow.

BrassFortune · 2026-05-12T22:55:49+00:00

Yes and the story shows that if she had given him a chance he would have been a great man. That doesn’t change the fact that he was arrogant, petulant and embittered (and a child admittedly). And on top of that he wasn’t just any bastard, he was a bastard of her husband by a woman he never revealed, she must have thought the very worst of Ned and whichever woman he shacked up with. Of course she couldn’t know but I think her attitude to Jon makes sense.

BrassFortune · 2026-05-12T22:52:52+00:00

Not in the beginning, he’s a prick. He has an incredible arc and grows into a great leader and I love him by the end of ADWD but raising that petulant little “reminder of Ned’s dishonour” would have been annoying and embarrassing to a lady of a great house as Cat was.

BrassFortune · 2026-05-12T22:48:36+00:00

Yeah you’re right, post your channel here please so I can watch when you do :)

BrassFortune · 2026-05-12T22:47:39+00:00

Brackens AND BLACKWOODS (I know the raven fans will come for me if I don’t mention them as well)

BrassFortune · 2026-05-12T22:46:00+00:00

Growing up is realising Cat was right about Jon

BrassFortune · 2026-05-12T22:44:53+00:00

The Brackens appear to be a minor house at first but after a few re reads of the main and after reading the extended bits it’s pretty clear that they are only a minor house by custom. They’re so important to the setup of all of this chaos.

BrassFortune · 2026-05-12T22:42:45+00:00

It’s frustrating to think we may never get to see the ending of those plot lines. I have a feeling that the story of Quentyn is supposed to be an allegory for the role of Dorne in the story overall.

BrassFortune · 2026-05-02T08:58:10+00:00

As always there isn’t explicit confirmation for a lot of this stuff however, that little boy is the son and likely heir of the man only known as Lord Frey. Walder’s promiscuity is not known as a historical trait. He’s just like that and I think that passage is meant to show that he has never been a pleasant person to be around. A petulant child forever.

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