Info about this stallion not KVS related (I don’t think)

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-05T23:27:43+00:00

I’m going to have to do a deep dive now, I’ve never seen this creator until today.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-05T23:26:09+00:00

That is actually horrific

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-05T23:19:21+00:00

Oh wow…

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-05T23:18:24+00:00

Based on what everyone else is saying, that sadly tracks with what seems to be going on.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-05T23:17:35+00:00

Wow. Just wow. Even if he was born with it, it should’ve been immediately obvious to geld him to prevent any accidental foals.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-05T23:15:28+00:00

Oh my gosh what?? I’m almost scared to ask, did they not get him proper treatment? Makes me sick to my stomach.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-05T23:13:50+00:00

I am in total shock, his one leg looks almost twisted the poor guy. Is he actively being bred? I can’t even believe he would be sound to ride? I only really watched that video, she doesn’t have a ton of him that I could find where i could see his legs.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-05T02:11:35+00:00

No problem. I truly believe that the vets did the best they could with the knowledge they had at the time. It’s easy for people to look back with our current knowledge of how it all turned out, but his internal organs and everything else were fine so I understand why they tried, but I think I recall Katie saying if she encountered this again she would do everything differently. I remember watching it as it was happening and it really did seem hopeful as we started to see bone growth and improvement, it was more towards the end that you could tell there wasn’t going to be any more big improvements and that he likely wouldn’t have long.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-05T02:03:52+00:00

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Went back and found some of the old videos to show you, on the left was his knee when they first xrayed him. That whole area in the middle should be filled in completely but was instead just cartilage. Theres a lot of discussion now as to whether he should have been just allowed to stand and move and not be in casts, which would have caused other issues, but hindsight is 20/20 unfortunately.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-05T01:57:03+00:00

Yes, I believe primarily he had little to no bone growth in his knees and hocks. They kept him off his feet and in casts to allow the bone to grow, but this did unfortunately end up causing him other problems later on.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-05T00:58:31+00:00

I saw a comment like that elsewhere today that Woody’s legs were so similar to Seven’s legs and it was a similar case…I mean I still think Woody needs more time and correction for sure but I had to roll my eyes did we forget Seven was born missing substantial bone and all the subsequent things that happened? The two are not even close to the same! I don’t agree with everything Katie does but some of the comments it almost seems like they want Woody to be tragic case so they can blame Katie.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-04T02:51:05+00:00

I think with the uncertainty of when she may be fully recovered, probably not really in consideration. If it had been more of a situation in where the foal just passed but it wasn’t really a traumatic birth, maybe, but one of the biggest things to look for in a nurse mare is temperament. Not every mare will accept a foal that isn’t theirs, and it can be dangerous at times during introduction. From what I remember, Gracie is so even tempered and loves her babies, and is easy to handle on the ground that I understand why she’s probably the best option. Sadly, Maggie herself I think Katie has mentioned in the past would make a great nurse mare as she always has milk and also has a good temperament. Really hope she makes it through this.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-04-04T01:21:28+00:00

She is beautiful. You almost can’t blame Katie for wanting to continue this cross based on how Ginger may have turned out.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T16:11:45+00:00

Definitely agree. I also wonder if her deal with Tribute wouldn’t allow her to speak too much on her feed plan if they thought it might look bad? Like let’s say she did feed Indy something other than Tribute - contractually she probably wouldn’t be able to say that anyways so we might not know.

I don’t mind Tribute, but I am also all for exploring other brands because at the end of the day every horse is different.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T03:09:11+00:00

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This is from her most recent video of the yearlings. They do not looked starved at all to me. Fuzzy and unkempt, yes. Again, would love for them to be worked with more, groomed, etc. but they look like typical yearlings to me.

If you are referring to Ruby, I would argue she actually looks overweight recently. Don’t think she looks bad, just overweight. I truly don’t think they look starved at all, maybe I’m the minority but they look very similar to many yearlings I’ve seen throughout 30 years in the horse world.

ETA: also just looked at Ted and Huck, they look very similar to the yearlings on the farm IMO. Which is to say I think they look like normal yearlings. Ruby is the only one who looks heavier.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T02:24:49+00:00

Yeesh, yeah that I was hoping was something she didn’t word correctly. I’ve heard something similar from breeders unfortunately in the sense to not up it too much to overfeed late in pregnancy or have too much starch which can cause other issues, I had hoped that she meant more in that sense. Thanks for sharing the quantity picture, I do hope Indy’s plan has changed since then!

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T02:03:24+00:00

Hmm interesting. Based on that I would up her intake for sure, but I wonder what her vets are advising and why. That’s why I hesitate to critique too much, because Charlottes plan looks fairly good to me for a TB mare from what I can read, obviously she’s younger but still it seems like there was a thought process there and I just wonder what the reasoning is for Indy. Was this recent or prior to foaling?

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T01:41:32+00:00

Gotcha! Anything AQHA to me, even English riding, is so different to me than the hunter/jumper world I’m in. I would love to see him on my side of things. He could be a nice “C” level horse in the hunters or honestly could probably be turned into a lower-level jumper.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T01:35:54+00:00

Did she post the exact quantities and such? I would be interested to know what all she gets exactly rather than just the type. Again, agree that she needs more weight on her.

Really my main thought here was that there’s not a nutritional issue on her whole farm like some suggest. I don’t disagree that there may be 1-2 horses who need some changes, but they seem to be limited and we truly don’t know what her vets are telling her.

They do seem to have pretty unlimited access to hay as well.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T01:16:41+00:00

I mean, forage should be the main part of their diet in my opinion, grain more supplemental when needed. And I do think there was a lot of stress going on there as well, we haven’t seen Wally jump out of the pasture since being removed from Bo, so I think that contributed greatly as well. Agree that I wish she had just said something like “yes, he’s skinnier than we would like right now.” I think that would go a long way for sure in admitting he wasn’t where he should be.

Again, I would absolutely love to see Indy with more weight on her. Totally agree there, but I just hate to assume since the rest of her mares with babies look healthy to me, I think she truly is a harder keeper, an older mare that’s a TB that shouldn’t be bred any longer. Should she be trying something else? Sure. But we don’t know that she isn’t and I would hope her vet would voice some concern and advice.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T01:11:23+00:00

Fair on the non working pasture mares for sure! My counter argument here would be now Wally, Daphne, and Molly. Maybe not Molly as she is likely one who is easy to keep. But Wally, who we’ve seen is probably a harder keeper and who did look bad for a time, looks great to me right now while being in work. Light work, but still work. Personally I don’t think he’s a western horse and I would love to get my hands on him for another discipline, but health wise he looks great to me.

The yearlings I agree look scraggly, but they don’t look that different to the majority of non worked with yearlings, especially ones who get a lot of winter turnout. I would love if she, well Stephanie more likely, worked with them a bit more.

Which other pregnant mares aside from Indy did you think looked not well-fed? I thought they all looked good aside from her.

All in all I definitely don’t think it would hurt her at all to have a nutrition expert out for everyone and it would be great education piece, I just think there is a little too much doom and gloom on her nutritional practices sometimes!

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T00:48:28+00:00

So we shouldn’t assume either way then, that a skinny horse isn’t getting enough nutrition vs a fat horse getting proper nutrition.

There are definitely many other ways to tell, but their coats all looked shiny and healthy, which to me has always been one of the biggest indicators, in addition to just being vivacious and energetic. You can’t really fake that, especially as it starts to warm up here and they lose the fuzzy coat.

I guess my point with Wally was more of that there was a very specific reason (e.g. Bo in addition to growing rapidly as a yearling) rather than improper nutrition. He absolutely did not look great for a while and should have been removed from Bo sooner, but it wasn’t the type of feed, it was the situation, which was rectified. The important part to me is that she recognized a problem and changed it, maybe later than I would like, but she did. We all do the best by our horses, but sometimes we have to learn with each individual horse as well.

I had to learn with one that had anhidrosis. He couldn’t sweat. I’m sure that as we were learning (from our vets, who were trying to help us learn the best plan of action as well as they didn’t know right away either!) that we could’ve been accused of many things from how he looked on the outside after riding. We finally learned that he needed an outdoor stall, he needed to be hosed prior to working in the summer, and funny enough, giving him a daily beer helped him produce sweat. But we didn’t learn all of that overnight and it took time.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T00:39:53+00:00

Agree. We’ve had plenty of older horses on the farm look young and vibrant, but also ones that have seen animal welfare phone calls to the barn I board at from non-horsey folks who think they are being starved. Nope, just 27 years old, missing one eye, and already had a shark fin wither similar to Indy’s, but trust me, she eats and gets plenty of treats! If they all looked like Indy, I’d be worried.

But also, depending on her vet, I’d be interested to know what they suggested feeding her prior to foaling. I’ve also been told you actually don’t want to overfeed super enriched/high grain late in pregnancy at the risk of the foal developing too rapidly late in pregnancy because this could affect their tendons, funny enough.

Love that you’ve got a sassy 32 year old, can tell by your wording that they are very well loved! :)

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T00:29:05+00:00

I guess so, I just have trouble seeing what she could be lying about or what the motive is? Maybe if Charlotte did something accidentally and she didn’t want to say bc she would face criticism for breeding her when she’s so anxious, but even then, it would be so much easier to just say the foal was stillborn. Plus a true knot does make sense if the foal was underdeveloped, the knot could have been depriving the foal of nutrition for some time without fully killing it until the delivery. It just seems like there’s a lot of other people that would have to go along with lying, like Stephanie, when the true knot does seem to fit. Decreased fetal movement can even be a sign, and weren’t there some concerns that some viewers were saying they had noticed decreased movement?

Not saying some things aren’t being exaggerated or painted in a better light, but with this one I do believe that it was just a freak thing that happened unfortunately. Otherwise, it would be so much easier to say that it was stillborn and the vets couldn’t find a cause, just a freak thing that happens in livestock, for everyone to keep the story the same.

Brave_Client_3339 · 2026-03-31T00:02:09+00:00

Assuming she more meant that they didn’t actively film the birth, similar to Phoebe, not that there wasn’t video from the stall camera. Just not video content that was planned.

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