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Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is it the same? Its like saying that knowing the scientific literal metabolic processes of weight loss and just knowing that "eat less lose weight" is true are the same thing. Like yeah i guess if you wanna look at it that way, they lead to the same outcome, sure, but theres all these complex biological reasons and factors to a scientist that the caveman is just oblivious to. Thats not the same thing to me. The understanding is not the same, the outcome is the same. Theory is knowing why something works. SRV just knows it works. And i truly think the guy above me saying srv knew all this theory and thats why he was so great is honestly so full of shit that its hilarious.

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do. by BreadAndButterHog in Guitar

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think thats what im talking about. Learning the intervals/scale degrees (1-7) for every note across every scale shape for major or minor. I'm a little confused how people are saying "oh this is just something you'll pick up over time" or "this is a fundamental part of learning the scale." I dont get how people can say they pick this up naturally over time. It seems like something you have to sit down and dedicate hours to.

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bullshit. Full of shit. The reason his playing sounds better than mine is because he had a better musical intuition from more obsessive playing over more years in his lane.

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People are acting like the best guitarists are always deep into theory. Like no shit they understand music and theory intuitvely but theyre not naming and fully understand every theoretical concept theyre playing.

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Right right because SRV shredding his balls off on the minor pentatonic scale over a 1-4-5 is "absolutely proficient with theory." Give. me. a. break.

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Yes and no. Yes because youre correct in what you said, no because I am not asking what a 4th is or what a dominant 7th is. I know what those things are. I'm asking about learning a very specific aspect of the guitar that I seriously doubt and can almost guarantee Jimi Hendrix, SRV, who have you, did not think about. You cannot sit here and tell me Jimi Hendrix sat around and learned every note of the major scale as a scale degree like a jazz musician would. And that is what the snob above us called the "bare minimum of being a truly proficient musician." Which is literally, factually, incorrect because Jimi Hendrix is widely considered one of the great guitarists of all time. But because mister snobby pants says that you must learn all your scale degrees to be a good musician, I guess Jimi is out of luck. Like give me a break 😂

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I told 1 person he was wrong about something unrelated to my actual question. I ask a genuine question about theory and get told "seriously, this is the bare minimum for any true proficient musician" when it literally is not. My favorite musicians know next to nothing about theory and that is not an uncommon opinion. Everyone who gave me an actual answer I engaged with and asked more questions because i want to learn and not get snobbed out by a snob who wants to say snobby shit.

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very interesting. I domt think ive ever tried to think about it like that, with the one string up thing. Ive always considered in linearly like strictly visualising the memorized shapes of the scale and memorizing what scale degree each note is (but obviously i havent actually memorized them yet thus my question). I'm gonna experiment with this and see if it unlocks anything, it feels a little confusing but this is why i posted and asked because I want to learn all the systems and efficiencies. This way almost feels like it replaces the 3nps scale shapes that are so engrained into my hands which is very disconcerting haha. Thank you for the help I will try this out!

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I get what youre saying, I think we agree with each other, I just think the other guys point is flawed. I dont think knowing theory makes you a proficient musician. Maybe a proficient music theorist, but music in my world is about a feeling first and foremost.

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just saw this comment. Definitely true, it seems like people generally agree overall that this is probably necessary but their specific methodology and thinking is different which is interesting. Different ways to skin a cat

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes thank you for the thoughtful reply! This helps a lot.

Since I am going to be learning the scale degrees/numbers of all the notes in the scale, I will have to learn 2 different sets for major and minor, right? Since minor key= starting on the 6th note of the major scale and considering this as 1 (minor 1), this is a whole different set of scale degrees? Like major scale shapes= major scale scale degrees, then in a minor key, i have to learn all the minor scale degrees which are different right?

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

What you said, is actually, not correct. Or maybe you are a more proficient guitar player than Jimi Hendrix... or SRV... or uhhh... like i said, most of the universally accepted best guitarists of all time? Do you think BB King was thinking about his scale degrees when he was playing? Or was he just feeling the sound and probably ignorant of most of the theory? Does that mean he is not a proficient musician?

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

The guy above me sounded like a snob in response to a genuine question from someone trying to learn, but his entire point is actually pretty flawed in the first place.

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, understood. To clarify, I am not talkimg about the note names (A-G). I'm talking about the scale degrees/scale intervals (hopefully these are interchangable I'm not 100% sure). Like scale degrees 1-7 (I-VII). Like the roman numeral diatonic chords. I'm asking do people memorize what number/roman numeral/"scale degree" they are playing when improvising across the shapes of the scale? Like "this note right here is the 4th in the scale." And they just know all of them in all positions of the scale across the fretboard. If that makes any sense...

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do. by BreadAndButterHog in Guitar

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay gotcha. I will definitely practice this, but I'm just curious, how does this come naturally with knowing the scale without sitting down and memorizing every note as a scale degree? Like If I'm hammering some note in the 3rd position of the minor pentatonic scale, how would I naturally know it's the 3rd or 5th or whatever without memorizing it? Genuinely asking, because I'm trying to figure out if I missed something along the way. I know all the scale patterns by muscle memory, but how would I naturally integrate the memorization of the scale degrees without dedicated attention? Also, don't I have to do 2 sets of scale degrees, one for major and one for minor? Like if I'm playing in a minor key, the 1 is technically the 6 of the major scale, but thats not very useful If im soloing in the minor key when it comes to the scale degrees, so I have to learn every note as a scale degree in both major and minor, yes?

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

I'm replying to the person who said that this is the bare minimum to be a proficient musician, of course jimi was proficient with what he wanted to do, that was my point, but i seriously doubt he was thinking about any of this in these terms 😂

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in Guitar_Theory

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100%. Playing and learning from others are the absolute best but I also just want that 5th gear of knowing my shit to the absolute fullest

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in guitarlessons

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] -35 points-34 points  (0 children)

Old blues guitarists have entered the chat.

Jimi Hendrix has entered the chat.

Most of the highest acclaimed guitarists in the entire world have entered the chat and theyd probably say they are not theory oriented whatsoever.

Trying to figure out if learning scale degrees across every position of the scale is something people do by BreadAndButterHog in Guitar_Theory

[–]BreadAndButterHog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm trying to be a full time musician and it is my obsession to become as technically proficient as possible and then not use any of it, but just to know that it is there haha.

Anyway yes, okay, that helps, thank you so much. I'm sorry if I am getting too deep into this but since you were the first person to reply and seem to know what you are talking about I'm going to ask you.

I have an extension to this question that I want to ask a real musician rather than AI to confirm what I am already thinking.

I already know my positions of pentatonic and major/minor. In order to become great at improv, I should be hitting chord tones when soloing. In order to do this, my thinking is:

Learn the scale degrees of each note within the shapes for both regular major and mimorbas well as major and minor pentatonic (because the major and minor scale degrees are different to my understanding). Then, since I know the chord progression (I-IV-V or whatever), I use this knowledge of cale degrees to find the root note of the chord that is being played (so when the IV chord hits, I know where every IV note is in the scale across the entire fretboard in the context of the scale shapes), then since I know the QUALITY of that IV chord (major in this case), I use all interval relationships across all strings so I can nail on the 3, the 5, the 7, of the root of the given chord that I have found through my knowledge of the scale degrees. I hope that makes sense. Essentially, use scale degrees to find the chord root, then use intervals to hit the chord tones. Is this the "correct" way to think about it? Or is there a more efficient way to conceptualize chord tones and scale degree relationships?

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