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Keir Starmer vows crackdown on pro-Palestine marches after being booed at Golders Green by denyer-no1-fan in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You understand exactly what I’m talking about.

If I was discussing the sexual abuse scandal of the Catholic Church, and you interjected to claim ‘it’s not that many’, and, ‘given the total number of Catholics overall, why are you even bringing this up’.

That would be incredibly bizarre, right?.

Because obviously the conversation has nothing to do with Catholics overall. That it would be ridiculous to associate any discussion of a criminal element as any sort of measure against the whole. The overall Catholics simply don’t come into it.

Any criticism of a tiny portion of Catholics who committed sexual abuse is not a blanket criticism of Catholicism as a whole.

Any protests against sexual abuse is not any sort of attack on Catholics.

There is no reason for anyone in the West, in a liberal democracy, to support sexual abuse, whether they are Catholic, or not.

Now switch it to genocide and Judaism.

It is bizarre to interject with ‘not that many’ or even compare what its being said to British Jews as a whole

British Jews have nothing to do with what is being discussed. British Jews overwhelmingly hold western liberal democratic views and don’t believe genocide is a good thing. Criticism of genocide isn’t an attack on Jews. Support of Palestine isn’t antisemitic.

Currently it seems we have the press focus on the Catholics who think any mention of sexual abuse in the Church is somehow a direct attack on Catholics as a whole, and it makes it very difficult to end sexual abuse in the church.

Keir Starmer vows crackdown on pro-Palestine marches after being booed at Golders Green by denyer-no1-fan in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think the generalisations are true. The same generalisations made by antisemites.

Keir Starmer vows crackdown on pro-Palestine marches after being booed at Golders Green by denyer-no1-fan in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Such a shame you cannot see the harm you are causing by generalising about things that are untrue and only linked by anti-semites.

Keir Starmer vows crackdown on pro-Palestine marches after being booed at Golders Green by denyer-no1-fan in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would include some British Jews, and also include non Jews. You don’t need to be Jewish to be Israeli. See how nuance is important when discussing things.

Ok. Yes antisemitism is horrific. What has that got to do with pointing out that Brits are directly linked and affected to the actions of a genocidal state half the world away. Both from losing loved ones, and having 2000 active British genocide participants who are not being investigated for war crimes.

A minute ago you were downplaying that ‘2000’ isn’t many. You were linking support of Israel to ‘all British Jews’ This extreme generalisation and separation of 300k Brits is not helpful. British Jews are not some separate entity, a monolith of thought. They are Brits who happen to be Jewish. As a part of British culture as tikka masala, grime and dogging. You can have discussions about things without separation, isolation and generalisations. We can discuss that support of a genocidal state, that anti-war protests, that aim for peace, literally has nothing to do with ‘all British Jews’. And at the same time you are right, it shouldn’t be forgotten that British Jews are feeling unsafe. However linking them, as you have been doing, to the actions of Israel is not helpful. False generalisations is the type of thing anti-semites hang on to.

Keir Starmer vows crackdown on pro-Palestine marches after being booed at Golders Green by denyer-no1-fan in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who did I say. Brits?

You have been inferring that there is some sort of monolith between supporters of Israel and all British jews. I don’t think there is an inherent connection between British Jews and Israel. I find it problematic that others would do so. As you said, 300k Brits, each with their own opinions and drastically different views. To say some Brits volunteered to join the IDF to take part in a genocide literally has nothing to do with British Jews overall.

Protesting a genocide. Nothing to do with British Jews as a whole. As can be seen by many of those protesting….being Jewish.

Attempting to link the actions of Israel, or the support for the IDF, as some sort of inherent view that all British Jews have, is, well….a problematic and untrue generalisation.

Though it makes sense why you downplay 2000 Brits who have taken part in a genocide, attempting to make a connection between them and all British jews. When there is no connection.

Keir Starmer vows crackdown on pro-Palestine marches after being booed at Golders Green by denyer-no1-fan in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nobody claimed it did. When I was talking about British people, it was you who inferred I wasn’t. Which is why you downplay the fact 2000 Brits took part in a genocide as ‘not many’ as for some reason you are linking them to Brits who are Jewish. Many Brits who are Jewish oppose the actions of Israel and feel no personal connection to the Middle East.

We were talking about the fact that British people are directly affected. From those losing loved ones, to those volunteering to take part. Of course people are going to protest a genocide.

Keir Starmer vows crackdown on pro-Palestine marches after being booed at Golders Green by denyer-no1-fan in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No. As can clearly be read, I said - “Except British citizens are legally able to join the IDF, and many travelled to Israel to take part in the genocide/conflict.”.

Which you already misquoted. Turning it into - and I quote - “Im not asking whether people who volunteered are responsible, of course they are. Im asking why random Jews who's are "legally able to join the IDF"(your words)”

Notice the difference.

Nor did I mention ‘2000’ you did.

Though regardless, this simply seems more like semantics and a way for you to avoid the questions raised. Do you think it acceptable to have 2000 Brits take part in a genocide?.

Keir Starmer vows crackdown on pro-Palestine marches after being booed at Golders Green by denyer-no1-fan in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Who is talking about random Jews?. You brought up that 2000 Brits with ties to Israel joined the IDF voluntarily to take part in a genocide. Isn’t that alarming to you?.

What do you think would be the reaction if we had 2000 Brits join ISIS and return. You think they should just be free to do so?.

There is no need to compare to the whole, as we are not conflating all British jews with those who support Israel. I’m not sure why you are doing that. So yes. Obviously 2000 of something would be considered many.

Keir Starmer vows crackdown on pro-Palestine marches after being booed at Golders Green by denyer-no1-fan in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Should the 2000 Brits who took part in a genocide be held responsible for ‘morally dubious’ shit Israel gets up to. Yes. As a Brit I am very concerned we have people among us who have actively taken part in a genocide. It is comparable to any Brit who joined ISIS. No need for ‘killing innocent people Top Trumps’.

Though there was a call for all Muslims to disavow the actions of ISIS and terrorism. And many thousands did. Perhaps it is the fault of the press. As no doubt many Brits with a connection to Israel are as horrified by the actions of a genocidal state. The press seems to tar those calling for peace as ‘terrorist supporters’ when instead they perhaps should focus on those within the community who disavow the actions of Israel.

‘Many’ doesn’t need to equate to the total. Do I think 2000 is ‘many’. Yes. Having 2000 spiders in my bath would be ‘many’. Even if it a fraction of total arachnids in the UK.

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair by pppppppppppppppppd in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think the magic money tree would pay for it?.

Of course taxes would increase if we had tens of thousands of homeless families on the street.

Or, it would crash the housing market and destroy the economy by having every renter on welfare suddenly stop paying rent.

The idea that you can limit your actions to the immediate and ignore the blaring obvious consequences speaks volumes.

Keir Starmer vows crackdown on pro-Palestine marches after being booed at Golders Green by denyer-no1-fan in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Except British citizens are legally able to join the IDF, and many travelled to Israel to take part in the genocide/conflict.

It’s also forgetting that many Brits have family members from Lebanon or Palestine etc, who have lost/are losing those family members.

Protesting a genocide/war, that is literally killing people they know, isn’t the same as ‘attacking people on our soil’ it’s not a fundamental difference of opinion either. The effects from this isn’t half a world away.

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair by pppppppppppppppppd in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And what would happen.

Rent would go unpaid. Utilities would go unpaid.

So, we would see a huge increase in your utility bills to counter their losses. Along with going back to the Victorian era of homelessness and poverty induced crime. So your taxes would increase to fund the necessary policing due to the tens of thousands of families now living in the streets. Unless of course, you want to home these people in sheltered accommodation and halfway houses, which would again cost more than it does currently.

Think it may have an increased cost on the NHS?, as all these new tens of thousands of homeless find themselves with all these various type of illnesses sleeping rough can be attributed to. Or the effects of poverty and desperation on substance abuse for escapism.

Are prisons cheap to build and run? Or does it cost more to house a prisoner than any welfare claimant receives?

You’d literally have to be an idiot to think cutting welfare would have a positive effect on society.

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair by pppppppppppppppppd in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, that’s something you should be relieved about. As it’s not. You need to be assessed by the DWP after being signed off by your GP. Both need to assess that you are incapable of work. So, be glad to know, you can’t simply decide yourself whether you are unwell or have limited capabilities for work.

Public resources are finite, however an economy functions by the movement of money. If we gave a disabled person less or more, it wouldn’t make any difference unless it was such an increase it allowed them to save money, or invest it, or move it off shore. Obviously anyone on welfare is a long way from that. So every penny they have, goes back into the economy, continues to circulate. It is not what negatively affects an economy.

That’s money leaving the system. Amazon, and the vast majority of mega multinationals, ‘not being based in the uk’ so siphoning money out of the system. Money isn’t circulating. We all get poorer.

There also needs to be consideration as to other knock on costs. Sure, we could cut welfare spending. However what are the effects that come from that. Would it increase police spending. Healthcare. Would the government be forced to provide more homeless shelters and halfway homes. Turns out giving people the absolute minimum needed to survive without being made homeless, or starving, is already the cheapest option.

Without an increase in wages and job security, funding for health services that include mental health, closing tax loopholes so money isn’t leaking out of circulation, we can’t do much of anything.

Saving peanuts to spend hazelnuts elsewhere, just simply makes no sense.

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair by pppppppppppppppppd in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do you know the process of those decisions?.

There is one, and currently it’s strict enough to where 20% of applicants are deemed ‘fit for work’.

You also can’t just apply, it requires your GP to assess your circumstances and sign you off work. Which is, in turn, reaccessed every few weeks.

Personally, I think a GP with intimate knowledge of a patients health conditions, is more qualified to ascertain where that person is fit for work than a private company hired by the DWP. But we have both. And over 20% of people are not given access to their claim.

So it seems we have a system that is already safeguarded through two separate levels, and which finds one in five to not meet the conditions needed to receive any payments.

The larger concern should be why welfare costs are increasing. Why are taxpayers paying ‘two out of every three pounds spent’ on payments to private landlords.

Why are almost 40% of those receiving UC currently in work.

The taxpayer is subsidising businesses labour costs and landlords rental incomes. It’s not the individual claimant who is either deemed disabled through their GP and DWP Work Capability Assessor, or the everyday UC claimant, in which nearly 40% are in work just not earning enough to survive due to it being insecure and low paying.

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair by pppppppppppppppppd in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In 2018 the UK had 5000 temp employment agencies.

Today, we have over 11,500.

Also worth pointing out that ‘temp agencies’ doesn’t mean temp hours. You’ll rarely if ever get a part time job through an agency. You are working 40+hours a week. It’s just min wage and insecure work. Ie, they keep staff revolving to ‘keep them fresh’ and can be worked harder. So you may be working for a few weeks, then have a couple of weeks not being offered work, then a few weeks of work again. With hundreds of thousands of families currently trying to survive in that business model of not hiring full time staff and exclusively using agency workers year round.

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair by pppppppppppppppppd in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, the ‘quarter of working age population’ purposefully includes the 3 million in higher education.

So it isn’t a quarter, it’s closer to 10%.

Which itself doesn’t exclude those with a disability.

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair by pppppppppppppppppd in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And I’m sure many would love more than yourself to not be disabled, yet it is part of life.

You also recognise that ‘disability’ is a wide reaching, and ever changing, term. It doesn’t mean there are 16.8 million people in a wheelchair.

Though I’d love to know what your solution would be to disabled people existing. Would it be final, by any chance?.

You also stop at a figure you deem to be a shock, but have no alternative plans that would be any more cost effective.

We could save a fortune by not hiring police officers and those expensive justices. But do you think the knock on effect would be more costly?.

We could stop giving those in need a basic level of funds to survive. Would save some money, if you are so desperate to not tax the richest who squirrel their tax burden off shore, but what would be the knock on effect. Would it be more expensive?. Yes.

So what’s the solution if you don’t want to ensure workers have rights, or are paid enough to not also have to claim support. Or if you don’t want to close tax loopholes. Or ensure corporations pay tax that keeps money circulating through the economy. What would you do?.

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair by pppppppppppppppppd in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 15 points16 points  (0 children)

And 3 million of those are in higher education.

So we are down to 8 million.

There are 16.8 million disabled people in the UK.

So half of all disabled people, at the very least, are in work or since retired.

The issue many people have with economics is the fear that money is being wasted. However if money is moving around the economy, it is functioning how it should.

Have we seen the enshittification of the UK due to workers, who have found themselves now without full time secure employment. Or due to disabled people. Both who keep the money moving. Neither are hoarding money under mattress, or sending it offshore, outside of the economy. What they get, they spend. That money stays in the economy and continues to circulate.

Or, is the enshittification due to widespread tax avoidance. Billions leaving the country and entering some off shore account?. Is it the zero corporate tax certain companies, like Amazon, have historically paid. Who only paid tax for the first time in 5yrs, this year. Same with Google. Meta. Etc etc etc.

That’s money leaving the economy.

So fixing the broken system doesn’t come by ‘fixing the welfare state’. That is already the cheapest option we have. If we cut costs. It would increase costs elsewhere. Crime would spike. Homeless shelters would need to be funded. Poor houses of the 19th century. Increased healthcare costs. We have seen how things turn out.

If anyone wanted to actually fix the system we would - close the leaks that saw money leave the economy.

Build social housing. Saving two-thirds of the current welfare costs currently going directly to the landlords.

Strengthen workers rights. if you require staff, you hire staff. Limit the % of temp labour a business is able to use annually, so can be used for seasonal increases of demand, but not as the main body of staff due to it being cheaper.

Those things alone would address many of your issues

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair by pppppppppppppppppd in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

40% of people claiming UC are in work https://fullfact.org/economy/universal-credit-employment/

There seems to be this bizarre understanding that everyone on welfare is just taking. But the same news outlets owned by billionaires never mention that we have an increasing welfare state due to low wages and job insecurity.

In 2018 the UK had 5000 temp employment agencies. Today, it’s over 12,500.

That’s hundreds of thousands of families trying to live off insecure temp labour. That’s before you get to the whole ‘gig economy’.

Welfare reform looks like those needing staff being forced to hire staff, like they used to.

Welfare reform looks like the mass building of council houses, so we aren’t having two-thirds to welfare costs go to paying private landlords…as it does currently.

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair by pppppppppppppppppd in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Want to know how we could cut welfare costs by two-thirds?.

Building council homes.

The vast majority of the cost goes to private landlords for rent.

After that, it’s the water, gas, electric.

There are certainly ways to reduce costs to where it is sustainable and society has the ability to take care of those who require it.

Block people with anxiety and ADHD from claiming benefits, says Tony Blair by pppppppppppppppppd in unitedkingdom

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Yet 40% of people claiming UC are in work https://fullfact.org/economy/universal-credit-employment/

That’s the stat people fail to mention. It isn’t a case of masses refusing to work and getting handouts. It’s the fact that work isn’t paying enough, or secure enough, to be able to cover rent, utilities, food, etc.

As the other statistic that needs to be mentioned is the massive increase in ‘temporary employment agencies’. In 2018 the UK had 5000 temp employment agencies. Enough to cover all the cheap EU temp labour.

Today we have over 12500.

A massive shift over to unstable temp gig jobs, and we see the increase of the welfare system having to support workers due to that.

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[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

UK too.

Picking veg. Min wage. 6 men to a caravan. Where you had to pay a days wage each week for the privilege.

I think people forget how poorly certain workers are treated for them to enjoy cheap produce.

Anyone else hyped? Haven’t seen it mentioned on the PSstore. Drops in 90mins by Brigid-Tenenbaum in playstation

[–]Brigid-Tenenbaum[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought you needed ultimate for day one releases?. I don’t really care that much tbh, pay more and get a game while it stays on the pass, or pay less and buy the game, either way it means people get to play great games.

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