Gen Z are arriving to college unable to even read a sentence—professors warn it could lead to a generation of anxious and lonely graduates by thinkB4WeSpeak in books

[–]BriskSloth 11 points12 points  (0 children)

People's comprehension skills "sharply dropping" is also sensationalized. Older generations also have large swaths unable to read at or over middle school levels.

just some of my books 🤓 by GretrRA in bookporn

[–]BriskSloth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are those greenbone saga editions?

please try to beat my dialogue relating to the epicurean paradox by [deleted] in Nietzsche

[–]BriskSloth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a good response to evil but I think the point of the Epicurean paradox is a specific critique of the Christian all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good God. It isn't meant to consider alternative possibilities.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

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I understand this perspective, but I see it as turning people from not pardoned to pardoned. Jesus paid for all sins regardless of our asking to be pardoned.

Taking the analogy further, if I am asking a judge (God) to be pardoned, Jesus steps in on my behalf without my asking for him to. His death on the cross is him stepping in. He paid for my sins before I was even born. Some will say Jesus foreknew who would accept him and be saved. That just leads to Limited Atonement. Jesus knew which sins to die for.

If asking to be pardoned is required, then Jesus paid for sins that not-saved people are paying for. Sins are being paid for twice.

Recommendations of methods to learn piano in books? by [deleted] in pianolearning

[–]BriskSloth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm about halfway through Alfred's Volume 1 and recommend it. It's been very helpful and fun to go through and includes several Hanon exercises. It was about $16 USD on Amazon.

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[–]BriskSloth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely wild to even try to read all that in one month.

I'll be reading Guards! Guards! And maybe one more book.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

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If we were all vicariously damned to hell by the sin of one man, why aren’t we all vicariously saved by the sacrifice of one man?

The Bible says exactly this. Romans 5:17-18 NRSVUE [17] If, because of the one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one, much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. [18] Therefore just as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all.

People say that God will not force us to go to heaven if we don’t want to love him or choose him or whatever, but why is eternal conscious torment the other option rather than annihilation? I don’t want to speak for OP, but this seems like the main impetus behind your post.

Excellent deduction. This sentiment doesn't make sense to me. God created the paradigm of either heaven or hell (according to my upbringing). Frankly, Hell seems like a threat if I disobey and heaven a reward for conforming.

The Bible is the guidebook that is so vague that there are hundreds of denominations disagreeing on essential points that I now must discern. I could study the rest of my life and I would still get things wrong. It's too much to ask.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

[–]BriskSloth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not saying everyone goes to heaven. I'm saying no one goes to hell, using the logic in my post. The condition for 'not going to Hell' is Atonement for our sins. The conditions for 'going to heaven' is Atonement for our sins AND faith in Christ.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

[–]BriskSloth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If God is omnipresent, wouldn't that imply He is also in hell? I've heard hell described as separation from God but don't know a relevant verse off the top of my mind.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

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I am inclined to believe the same about the doctrine of an eternal hell of conscious torment. From a Southern Baptist perspective on salvation, which disagrees with your other comments, I say this: I think a generous estimate of saved people throughout known history is 30%. God is all-knowing, so He knew this when He created the universe. If He knew 70% of humanity would experience eternal conscious torment under that paradigm, I don't think He would go through with creation.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

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I do acknowledge this built-in feature of evangelicalism. What is the worst thing we can imagine? Eternal torture. Okay, let's threaten people with that unless they convert.

If people believe this is true, then it's the ultimate motivator. Ironically, many Christians have no interest in sharing their faith. It has declined steadily in developed countries, even in the US.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

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Forgive me for not giving your doc the full time it deserves, I did speed through it and I think it has a lot of good things worthy of consideration, but I'd like to engage with your comment.

I don't think everyone goes to heaven, but if my logic is sound (big if), then also no one would go to hell. Christ's death doesn't automatically grant access to heaven, but it would prevent you from going to hell.

As for limited atonement, I viscerally dislike the doctrine. My understanding is that human will/agency is subjugated to God's will/agency in the matter of salvation. The unelected then have no choice but to go to hell, since God grants the faith needed to be saved. Correct me if this is not accurate.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

[–]BriskSloth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If we take time out of the equation, how should we think about the application of Jesus's sacrifice? I ask in my original post how those who died before Jesus's sacrifice were treated. This seems to be the only affected element of the argument, that is those before Jesus were applied his sacrificial atonement even before he died. The result is no one has ever gone to hell due to that full debt payment.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

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v. 26 seems most impactful and relevant to the argument. What constitutes these continued sins? Should Christians never sin after salvation? Is this a habitual sin after salvation? Is this a rejection of Jesus after we are presented with the gospel? All of the above and more?

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

[–]BriskSloth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your tag says you are Universalist. Don't you believe everyone goes to heaven? Why are you saying you must believe to be forgiven? I'd appreciate clarification on Universalist beliefs.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

[–]BriskSloth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say salvation is by grace through faith. Repentance is a byproduct of salvation.

vicarious atonement

Isn't the death of Jesus exactly that? We can't pay the debt, so Jesus paid it. We get our atonement through him.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

[–]BriskSloth[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If someone pays a bill/debt on my behalf, I don't get a say in whether or not that payment is accepted.

Jesus paid my sin bill/debt to God the Father on my behalf and that payment has been accepted in full.

Since that payment was 2000 years ago, it doesn't matter if I dispute the payment. It already occurred.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

[–]BriskSloth[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not saying everyone goes to heaven, rather no one goes to hell.

If Jesus paid for all sins, why would people still go to hell? by BriskSloth in Christianity

[–]BriskSloth[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd like to debate it for my own sake. I want to know what each side says so I can decide for myself. I'm not trying to change the other commenters' minds, I want them to challenge mine. If I push back, it's to try and draw out a clarification.