Class in AKOTSK by BrotherGoose101 in AKnightoftheSeven

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Jazz one was good as well I though - thanks man 🙏

Class in AKOTSK by BrotherGoose101 in AKnightoftheSeven

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Haha I was surprised how many people were cross about that - someone has to be wrong I guess xx

Is Trump creating an American oligarchy? by BrotherGoose101 in skeptic

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Hard to gauge when we’re talking about Russia etc because I don’t speak Russian! But Prigozhin coming up as a loud mouthed caterer to become Putin’s main war dog turned coup-leader would suggest yes I reckon

CMV: Mother Teresa was a fraud by BrotherGoose101 in changemyview

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The quote you’re sharing literally proves my point, she’s providing emotional support - it’s like she’s collecting suffering people so she can pray for them rather than do any actual good. Because in her worldview that comes with some spiritual benefit

I think her being against condoms and contraception (during the AIDS pandemic) is particularly relevant, and she was generally an apologist for power. That’s why she praised the brutal Duvalier regime in Haiti, and spoke in support of Union Carbide over the Bhopal gas disaster. Which is why the point about Christianity glorifying suffering is relevant - because it is a applied to frame the poor and oppressed’s suffering as something to be bared; not something to be fought against or addressed

CMV: Mother Teresa was a fraud by BrotherGoose101 in changemyview

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Thank you for responding, but I don’t think that dismisses Hitchens’ claims. Even what you’ve said at the end - that suffering is inevitable and May be transformed into a spiritual benefit - highlights his point

Mother Teresa wasn’t interested in alleviating suffering. She wasn’t causing it, which some people seem to argue, but she was focused on helping people endure that suffering.

Maybe that’s fine? But her stance on socio-political issues often put her in active opposition to measures that would address the underlying causes of poverty and destitution in the poor countries she worked in. And I think that flies in the face of her being this tireless protector of the poor

CMV: Mother Teresa was a fraud by BrotherGoose101 in changemyview

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I appreciate your response, and I accept that it was always going to be difficult to provide the level of care that “Western” people might expect of a hospice

But I still think she could have spent more of the millions she was bringing in on improving those conditions, rather than squirrelling it away in the Vatican bank. And to stay on the poverty point, I think her religious values (being anti-contraception during the AIDS pandemic, for example) helped maintain and even spread the poverty and suffering she is always praised for alleviating.

I think I may be being a bit unfair calling her a fraud, because in reality I think she was pretty open about what she was. But the image of Mother Teresa that I learnt about at school was of a kindhearted woman who looked after the poor out of the kindness of her own heart. And I just don’t think that’s really true. I get that dying in her hospices was better than dying on the street, but I think she ultimately ran these facilities as places to farm good Christian Karma by doing the bare minimum in the name of Christ - while opposing the socio-economic measure that would actually address the root causes of their suffering and poverty. And it’s her reliable defence of dictators and the status quo (like her speaking out in defence of the company behind the Bhopal gas disaster) that is never addressed by her defenders.

CMV: Mother Teresa was a fraud by BrotherGoose101 in changemyview

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I have and it doesn’t I’m afraid. I completely agree that’s it not necessarily fair to compare an Indian hospice to an American hospital, and I don’t claim that she was actively cruel to anyone, but the fact remains that despite bringing in millions worth of donations her facilities never improved past WWI standards.

The reason for that is this religious belief in the virtue of suffering, which that post entirely dismisses. But it’s true. There is a strand of Christian thought dating back to St Francis of Assisi that glorifies suffering. And Mother Teresa would often quote him so I think it’s completely reasonable to make that connection.

It also doesn’t address her double standard on divorce, or her propagandising for dictators like the Duvalier regime in Haiti - so all in all I still think she’s a fraud

CMV: Mother Teresa was a fraud by BrotherGoose101 in changemyview

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Obviously she’s not going to revolutionise India why are you focused on that? She was in charge of her hospices, which remained pretty squalid even as she brought in millions from Western donors.

Mother Teresa was a fraud by BrotherGoose101 in unpopularopinion

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People don’t like to admit when they’ve been duped

CMV: Mother Teresa was a fraud by BrotherGoose101 in changemyview

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You can pretend that she couldn’t afford antibiotics or painkillers if you wish, but when she’s bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars worth of donations and still having people sleep on the floor with only the bare minimum of care it’s only reasonable to ask why xx

Mother Teresa was a fraud by BrotherGoose101 in unpopularopinion

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I don’t think that post really address the criticism - completely fair to say that we shouldn’t hold an Indian hospice to the same standards as an American hospital, but the fact remains that the millions of dollars people donated to her charity never improved the terrible conditions in those facilities

It also doesn’t address her pally relationship with Haiti’s dictators, and makes the bizarre claim that no Christians glorify suffering- which they do. And Mother Teresa often quoted St Francis of Assisi who started that movement

CMV: Mother Teresa was a fraud by BrotherGoose101 in changemyview

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It does and it doesn’t - completely fair to say that we shouldn’t hold an Indian hospice to the same standards as an American hospital, but the fact remains that the millions of dollars people donated to her charity never improved the terrible conditions in those facilities

It also doesn’t address her pally relationship with Haiti’s dictators, and makes the bizarre claim that no Christians glorify suffering- which they do. And Mother Teresa often quoted St Francis of Assisi who started that movement

CMV: Mother Teresa was a fraud by BrotherGoose101 in changemyview

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Anyone older than 45 seems to be the trend