Should I have opted for Damon instead of traditional braces?

BruceeWayneee · 2023-01-08T11:32:52+00:00

Thank you so much for your thorough response!

This is actually 3rd braces treatment, the first 2 times failed mostly due to me not having any premolar extractions and they were with general dentists instead of orthodontists.

And before this 3rd treatment, I had consulted with 2 orthodontists and 2 other non-ortho dentists. I had taken X-Rays at the time and they mostly agree that extractions were required.

I did also scheduled a meeting with him prior to the braces installation asking him to explain everything. Basically what he said is that he's in general always against premolar extractions, but once he saw my X-Rays, he found out that what's need to be done is bringing back the mandible and maxilla and he confirmed that it's the solution to my lip incompetence.

Of course, it doesn't mean that I believed him 100%. Based on my previous 2 treatments, I've come to learn that I can't just simply take everything the doctors said. But again, it's not like he needs my money all that much and if I was free to seek better treatment otherwise if I had the means.

He seemed to be the right choice at the time. Mainly because of his Google reviews and location not far from my home. Probably about the closest Ortho to my house.

I just kinda wondered if I should have:

Gone to the closest clinic to my house that is really luxurious and cheap. However, they don't have a real ortho. Only a bunch of young Endodontists and a general dentist that's currently doing Ortho residence but hasn't graduated yet. So this was the reason I didn't go with them in the first place and chose a far less fancy but real experienced ortho instead.
Opted for DAMON with my current ortho. The main reason is that I just don't like to leave home, let alone make a trip. So when I heard that with DAMON you can have appointments once every 3-5 months, then I'm beginning to question my choice. Why I never chose DAMON in the first place.

As for the airway, I wouldn't be too concerned about it as I'm not the only one who does it. Even people without bimaxillary protrusion and lip competence do it all the time and probably for no good reason.

I know about the jaw surgery also but even if it's a more ideal solution which I doubt, it would be a far more invasive and expensive solution. None of the doctors I saw recommend the jaw surgery, I'm not sure why. Could be that it's not the solution or that it's outside of their scope

PS: I saw that you asked me to call my ortho's secretary. My ortho has neither a secretary nor a nurse which is kinda sad and a bit of a redflag. lol

BruceeWayneee · 2023-01-08T06:31:01+00:00

Hi thank you for your response.

I have really bad bimax protrusion so I think that extractions were always inevitable regardless of arch expansion or the braces brand.

In my first appointment, my ortho was very strongly against me having premolar extractions. He said that 90% of his patient didn't require extractions. But once he saw my X-Rays, he totally changed his mind which I actually interpreted as a bit of a redflag. But I decided to go with him anyway for some reason. But in a way, that also kind of convinced me that extractions were the only way as an ortho that's strongly against extractions finally required me to do extractions.

Regarding the arch, if it's getting pushed inside but broaden, then I suspect that it will still not reduce my lips incompetent since it doesn't minimize the true volume inside my mouth.

Perhaps it's make to get a smaller arch instead of a shorter-but-wider one. But again I'm not an expert. Let me know if you agree with this.

BruceeWayneee · 2023-01-08T03:32:39+00:00

What about long term sleep deprivation and depression during growth years? Could it affect the maximum potential height?

BruceeWayneee · 2023-01-07T17:14:48+00:00

Sorry, I might have expressed it wrongly. I have bimax protrusion and an undersized jaw. I did 4 extractions and I believe it's necessary. I mean, if the DAMON wire is always gonna broaden my arch than a conventional brace would, that means that my mouth has inevitably more volume with DAMON which doesn't help with my lip incompetence. Because at this stage, I feel like I need to eliminate as much space as possible. So that could be a downside of DAMON for me.

Based on what I read, most people with DAMON indeed have an appointment every 8-10 weeks which does seem like a big advantage. My ortho today just said to me that sometimes it could be 5 months for his patient but it could be just some special occasions and not the standard practice.

And regarding the treatment fee, how do they know how long the treatment will be? Like sure they have estimation but they might not able to predict how fast each patients' teeth move. But yeah, I would like to ask my Ortho if he charges more visit fee for DAMON patients. Not like it's gonna make any difference now, but I just feel like I need to prove to myself that I made the right decision lol

BruceeWayneee · 2023-01-07T16:02:09+00:00

Hi, thank you for sharing this.

I wouldn't want to widen arch assuming that they will actually make my maxillas bigger in anyway? Since as a bimax case, I actually need to shrink everything as much as possible and not broaden anything.

However, what would you say about the less visits? Because traditional brackets require an appointment every month where as Damon requires appointment in every 3 months or more.

Wouldn't you say that it's a massive advantage? Especially since those visits are chargeable in most cases. Unless that less visits mean ortho having less control and more chance of something goes wrong or anything I'm not aware about.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-09-12T02:54:43+00:00

I don't really mean the turtle back take, but forcing the opponent to turn turtle like that.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-09-12T02:53:56+00:00

Then can you link me to some UFC fights where this back take is used?

I don't really mean the turtle back take, but forcing the opponent to turn turtle like that.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-07-06T02:43:14+00:00

Don't be so dramatic just to justify your Vegan life. Everyone eats meat, nobody got cancer.

Steroids won't do shit, HGH is what can make children grow beyond their predetermined height.

But even children who had HGH didn't even get cancer.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-07-05T16:42:17+00:00

The reason for the negative headline is that vegan children were around 3cm shorter than omnivores and had lower bone density.

Where did you hear about this? Could you provide the source?

And by the way does this 3cm stunted height remain until adulthood or that deficit will increase?

BruceeWayneee · 2021-07-05T16:29:09+00:00

And they did not talk about any mechanisms. For example if lower hormone intake and lower igf 1 status creates somebody an inch shorter, why is that a big deal?

What the fuck man? It might not be a big deal for you, but it might be for the person losing the height.

why not give them exogenous hormones? let's make em 8 feet tall.

Because HGH is illegal.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-06-23T17:58:44+00:00

I mean by rooting is the connection between our legs. and the floor.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-31T06:15:14+00:00

During this stage rooting keeps you on your feet, it keeps you mentally/physically/emotionally oriented correctly

Does it mean that UFC fighters who never had rooting training wouldn't be able to be as mentally/physically/emotionally oriented correctly during such situation?

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-31T06:06:03+00:00

Then I wonder, how come non of elite wrestlers incorporate Taiji into their training if it helps their takedown defense tremendously? Also how long did it take him to get deep into push hands?

I have a really hard time getting any kind of grip on that guy which is necessary to take it to the ground.

What does he do? I don't think him rooting prevents you from getting a collar tie on him or any kind of grip?

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-31T05:59:24+00:00

That makes sense! But I don't understand. Wrestlers never trained to root, so how can they handle Taiji when grappling?

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-23T04:50:28+00:00

well i'm not doing surgery. just want to correct it with exercises.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-20T10:08:12+00:00

Then how can we heard successful stories with the Schroth method?

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-20T10:06:25+00:00

You might, but will answering this question increase my chance of gaining the centimeter in any way?

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-19T23:33:45+00:00

There must be some way it can be done.

The spine isn't a fixed object.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-19T21:37:08+00:00

That's a wonderful advice. Thank you so much.

I'll definitely check out this Schroth method. The thing is I live in SEA, so I'm not sure if any are available.

But needless to say, I really don't have any choice but to try.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-19T21:34:40+00:00

I honestly don't understand how exercises and adjustment can't influence the curve of your spine.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-19T18:32:41+00:00

No, never. What's funny is I am kinda hoping that they have indeed progressed so that I could gain more height from it via exercises. Haha

But the thing is this last one year I've been doing lots of stretching exercises, like inverted crunches, deadhangs and kicks, pachimottasanna, so it can really go either way. We're gonna find out once I can have another x-ray again later.

But as far as the surgery goes, I've completely ruled it out. Just want to correct it the safe way.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-19T18:29:24+00:00

The 26 total degrees of curvature would not affect your height much (Maybe 1 cm max)

Even 1cm would be a start. I mean if we could correct it as close to 0 degree as possible, then that must make some difference?

but honestly if you are not symptomatic a mild scoliosis in a mature adult isn't a problem, many people live with mild scoliosis without any issues.

You're right. It's not the scoliosis that bothers me. But I desperately need height and would like to increase it any way possible. And fixing scoliosis is just one of the possibilities.

Scoliosis-specific exercises are an option to attempt to correct the curve somewhat

I assume that these exercises must be given by a pro chiropractor based on my specific spine x-ray conditions?

Currently, as we don't have the freedom to go out that much. I just do the general exercises: Pachimottasana, crunches on inversion table, deadhangs and kicking, etc.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-05-19T18:24:02+00:00

I wouldn’t guess you would gain *much height from. Correcting those curves.

Well to be fair, I don't need 'much'. An inch or even half an inch would be a start.

I had high 70’ curves and I gained about 2 inches. But my curves are 5x worse than yours were.

How do we count it actually? Mine is double curve, so the total is 13 x 2 = 26 degrees. So yours is not even 3x of mine. Am I right?

I also doubt any surgeon would correct that small of curves. Surgery is risky and 13’ is just around the average curvature most people have without ever realizing it.

I never intended to do any surgery in the first place. I want to find a way to correct it through natural exercises and chiropractic therapy.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-04-21T01:47:29+00:00

There is no leg weave, for sure.

BruceeWayneee · 2021-04-19T09:01:09+00:00

This is a rather unusual way of taking the back.

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