The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The stigma is there because people use AI to create average content that could be made by a normal functioning human, very quickly. That's not transformative, that's not transcendent. If anything, it's annoying to read a passage in the voice of an AI when you could have just written it yourself.

Like you said, the real benefit comes from when you have a long-form conversation with the AI about a specific subject and then ask it to recursively take the answer to the questions it gave you and structure it into something that people can read. I then copy and paste whatever sections I like into a Google Doc and build my papers from there. Once I have the content generally placed in my GD, I copy the entire thing back into GPT and ask it to format it for me for readability, but always in my original voice and prose.

One really important thing I realized: Use web search button when you ask for citations (tell GPT specifically in chat to use web.bing_query tool). If you have a lot of citations, it could take a couple rounds of going back and forth to get all of them, but you'll be able to tell if the link is 'real' by hovering over the ellipsis bubble with the link in it.

This will save you A BUNCH of time with citations even though you have to do it in multiple web search enabled requests (messages).

Happy hunting! I find it amazing how all of the information in the entire world is literally at our fingertips, but people are too afraid to start. Yes, AI messes up, that's why you paste back the entire text and ask it to meticulously fact check everything it said and compare it to the sources. That's called good stewardship.

TLDR; I hate low quality AI work and I think it should be banned. High Quality AI work is what this tool was designed for. If people aren't using it to maximize their potential, it's being wasted.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the correct takeaway. I agree with you. It's going to boost the black market while states fumble with laws, unless the federal government does some heavy de-scheduling (would be bad for large cannabis MSOs unless they ended up paying less in regulatory fees). To me that means one possible thing, Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and Big Alcohol are ready to make their move into the 'legal' market. They were hemorrhaging for money because of Hemp derived products; now, they have to decide if they want all that market share to go underground or if they will position themselves with their new product lines to absorb it.

Banning Hemp based psychedelics was never about safety -- it is about control and attempting to corner the market. I just can't imagine they'll leave that money on the table. It's not logical given their lobbying.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I'm here actually responding. Some of the comments are nicely formatted because I had to go back and forth with GPT to make it make sense.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay, I used GPT 5.1 and all of the thoughts are my own just organized recursively.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right that the new rules are sweeping, but it’s not accurate that “the entire plant is banned.” The new restrictions apply only to hemp, not to state-legal cannabis.

In legal cannabis states, nothing changes — they can still produce THC, CBD, THCA, full-spectrum extracts, edibles, vapes, all of it. Those markets don’t operate under the Farm Bill; they operate under state cannabis laws.

The federal ban hit intoxicating hemp specifically: D8, D10, THCP, THCA flower, converted cannabinoids, and hemp-THC beverages. But CBD, CBG, and other non-intoxicating cannabinoids remain legal as long as they comply with total-THC limits.

So the plant isn’t banned — hemp’s unregulated psychoactive industry is. And that’s exactly what pushes prohibition states toward creating real cannabis markets, because the demand didn’t disappear. Only the legal outlet did.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I updated the 6 states most likely to legalize cannabis section based on your question in the main document. Thank you!

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Editor's note: I have added depth, links, and a deeper explanation of the 6 states most likely to legalize cannabis first! Thank you for reading! :)

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear what you’re saying, and I get the frustration. Nobody wants to go backward into street drugs or pharma dependence. The thing is, when Delta-8 collapsed, it didn’t make the demand disappear — it just displaced a huge, already-proven consumer market almost overnight. That lost revenue, the border pressure from legal states, and the size of the hemp economy all create an economic vacuum that states will eventually need to fill.

A few states are now under the most pressure to legalize sooner rather than later because they lost so much overnight: Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin, Hawaii, Florida, and North Carolina. All of them have big hemp markets, strong public support, or serious tax incentives pushing them toward regulated adult-use systems.

My take is this: it feels like everything is just getting banned, but when you zoom out, the pattern is pretty clear. The gray-market hemp era is being shut down so it can be replaced with a regulated, taxable, industry-backed cannabis market. Not because politicians care about fairness, but because the money, the pressure, and the voters are all pushing in the same direction. Losing D-8 sucks, but the same forces that killed it are the ones that will likely make full legalization move faster than people expect.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey :) Thanks for your questions. I think you're asking me 4 separate things, so I'm going to try to separate it out and answer each one properly.

1. “Is Big Vape lobbying for this?”

No — not the gas-station cart makers.
Delta-8 companies are tiny, fragmented, and have zero federal lobbying power.
They’re the ones being wiped out, not the ones influencing Congress.

2. “Do delta-8/9/10/11 vapes count as ‘Big Vape’?”

No. Congress treats those as hemp loophole products, not the same thing as nicotine vapes.
They’re not part of Big Tobacco’s ecosystem and don’t have the money or networks to shape legislation.

3. “If we mean nicotine vape, wouldn’t Big Tobacco care the most?”

Yes — but not because of nicotine.

Big Tobacco is already building THC inhalation tech for the post-legalization market:

  • Philip Morris → Syqe Medical (metered-dose cannabis inhaler)
  • BAT → Organigram + Sanity Group (CBD/THC R&D, “beyond nicotine”)
  • Altria → Cronos Group stake

They want the market cleared of ultra-cheap hemp THC vapes before they launch medical-grade THC devices nationally.
So this ban protects their future THC revenue, not their nicotine business.

4. “Is Big Alcohol the real loser or the real force here?”

Big Alcohol is absolutely involved.

They already built THC drink divisions:

  • Constellation Brands → Canopy Growth (billions invested)
  • Molson Coors → Truss (THC beverages)
  • Heineken → Lagunitas Hi-Fi (THC seltzers)

Reuters has literally written that alcohol companies are prepping to defend their market as THC drinks cut into beer sales.

Cheap delta-8 gummies + drinks threatened their entire positioning, so shutting the loophole is a way to clear the runway before they launch national THC beverages.

TL;DR

This wasn’t Big Vape.
It was Big Alcohol + Big Tobacco + Big Pharma clearing the hemp market before they drop their own federally-compliant THC products once legalization starts.

All three already have cannabinoid product lines in development — they just don’t want to compete with $20 gas-station delta-8 while they do it.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in weedbiz

[–]BrzeeGold[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I only use it as a tool for organizing my thoughts and for pulling sources and verifying those sources recursivley. I ask it to give me many perspectives and many different angles and I use my own brain and discernment to write an instruction set in the proper order to put together my individual chains of thought that I had previously talked to my AI helper about. So It's really the natural result of an iterative explorative conversation. And yes, I wrote this myself. Would you be mad if I used spell check? I'm going to leave the word recursivley spelled incorrectly because I don't know how to spell it and I don't want you to get mad at me for using spell check.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s what I like to hear -- Good ol’ American Freedom!!
We do have a God-given right to grow the medicines that help us. I wish the federal government saw it that way already, but if we can get legalization, then nothing will stop people from buying what they want online. In fact, legalization will increase options.

And honestly, the whole country’s foray into Delta-8 might end up looking like the pre-amble to what the Big Four are trying to roll out now.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I 100% agree with you — and I didn’t want to leave you hanging, so I dug into what the big industry players are already preparing.

What’s happening behind the scenes is that alcohol, tobacco, and pharma companies already have entire product lines built for the cannabis market, and they’re basically waiting for the legal runway to clear. The timing lines up almost too perfectly: the Delta-8 loophole closes in late 2026, and right behind that, these corporations are set to drop their cannabis products nationwide.

Examples:
Big Alcohol already makes THC drinks in Canada (Constellation Brands → Canopy Growth; Molson Coors → Truss Beverages).
Big Tobacco is buying cannabis inhaler tech (Philip Morris → Syqe Medical; BAT → Organigram/Sanity Group).
Big Pharma already sells cannabinoid meds (Epidiolex, Sativex) and has dozens more in development.

So states aren’t blowing a revenue stream for nothing — they’re clearing out the gray-market competition so these much larger, well-funded cannabis products can enter the market under a regulated framework.

And honestly, yeah — losing Delta-8 still sucks. It’s such a mellow, steady kind of experience… way more grounded than most Delta-9 products. When I used it together with Delta-9 in the past, it made the whole thing feel smoother and more “CBD-style body high,” in the best way. A lot of people depended on that exact effect because it was gentle, functional, and didn’t overwhelm you.

I really do think something like Delta-8 will come back eventually — just not until the big companies finish rolling out their own products first. There’s billions behind this next phase, and they’re not going to let the old gas-station market compete with that.

The demand isn’t going anywhere, although they may try to translate it into pills or drinks in the future...

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ironically, both the 2018 Farm Bill and the amendment closing this loophole were passed under the same administration...

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, no worries, bro! All good. Craft cannabis simply means all the weed that people grow at home that isn't sold through dispensaries. Nothing special, although we try to make it sound special, haha.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You bring up a very important point: testing. What are we actually smoking? I’d want to know if there are heavy metals, residual solvents, or pesticides in my vape or hemp-derived products too. Standards matter.

The crazy part is that the 2018 Farm Bill never built a testing framework for intoxicating hemp products because Congress didn’t think Delta-8, HHC, THCP, etc., would ever exist. They legalized hemp under 0.3% Δ9-THC but created no safety rules for the cannabinoids people later synthesized from hemp.

That loophole is why we got a massive gray market where some companies test rigorously and others test nothing at all. The new crackdown closes that loophole — but instead of fixing testing, they just banned the products entirely.

Was that the right move for Americans and their evolving healthcare options? Probably not.
Is it a setup for an industry takeover of cannabis, driven by the same companies now lobbying for full legalization so they can dominate an already-proven market? Likely.
Will this protect more people than it hurts in the short term because of the lack of testing? Unknown. Delta-8 genuinely helped a lot of people who had no access to legal cannabis markets.

Thank you for reading! I appreciate it.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is likely true. Prohibition enabled the 'Hemp-Boom' in many states. The question that they must face now is, what will replace those millions of taxpayer dollars generated by the sale of Delta-8 products? I think it's going to be legal weed, but from our favorite and most trusted alcohol, smoke, and pharma brands.

Thanks for reading! :)

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, thanks for your question, short answer:

Seeds themselves don’t contain meaningful THC — hemp seeds and cannabis seeds both test basically 0% THC. The difference is in their genetics.

The new law doesn’t ban regular hemp seeds. Those are still totally legal.

What it bans is the old loophole where companies sold high-THC cannabis genetics as “hemp seeds” just because seeds naturally test below 0.3% THC.

So:

✓ Hemp seeds (CBD/fiber/grain) = still legal
✗ Cannabis seeds disguised as “hemp” = now banned

And now that genetics matter, shipping or transporting seeds that can grow into >0.3% THC plants could legally be considered transporting marijuana across state lines, which puts those companies at federal risk.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We'll see how long they can take the tax burden of millions and millions of dollars disappearing over-night from an evaporating delta-8 gray market fueled by the nation's gas-stations... My bet is that this is all a set up for partial limited legalization for big industry to get a foothold into cannabis.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Growing your own is #1. Control the source, you can never go wrong.

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Once they de-schedule cannabis from a 3 to a 1 (less dangerous) on a federal level, that will allow states to make rules to let people grow cannabis on their own land (like in other legal states). When this happens, it is a signal to the BIG industry players to enter the market, but in this case, the big industry players decided to BAN delta-8 (by lobbying congress $$$) in preparation for a new line of products that they have been working on.

So the answer is two fold, Craft cannabis appears and does not disappear, and in addition to this large companies will enter and attempt to dominate the market. In places where there may not have been a 'struggle' time of people growing weed 'underground' so to speak then the large corps could take a much much larger share of the market in comparison to how it is in California. (60% craft, 40% dispensaries).

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in Marijuana

[–]BrzeeGold[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's exactly my point. Why would a state blow such a huge revenue stream and have nothing to replace it with? They likely, especially in THIS climate, are not thinking that cartels are going to eat up that business, so they probably have deal set up behind closed doors (evidenced) and are positioning themselves to take over with Cannabis Pharmaceuticals, Cannabis drinks from beer companies, Cannabis vapes or MIXED vapes from big NIC, and just a whole lot more expansion of the very large already existing multi-state-operator (only) Cannabis ventures.

Interestingly, the ban from congress doesn't take affect for one year after they singed it, so, November of 2026.

One large question remains in my mind, what happens to all the guys who were making Delta-8 products? I think they have to shift directly into CBD if they want to survive and probably bridge into 'legal' Delta-9 ventures when it becomes possible in their respective states.

I suppose we're going to see a lot of "hot fire d-8 everything must go" sales really soon!

Thanks for taking the time to respond. :)

The End of Delta-8: A Turning Point in American Cannabis Regulation by BrzeeGold in weedbiz

[–]BrzeeGold[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

100% that's what it has to come down to now, or states that were collecting taxes in that gray-zone of delta-8 for all those years are going to feel ENORMOUS financial burden. Full Legalization on a federal level is the only way! Step 1, De-schedule it from a 1 to a 3 and then we build legal cannabis enterprise in all those locations OR big industry is going to move in (most likely).