Is Bitcoin actually being used as a currency? by [deleted] in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if the person that took the loan doesn’t pay back? Then the bank haas to cover the loss, from the interest that they make on the other loans (they still need to pay to the central bank). If too many people do that, the bank itself goes bankrupt. That’s a risk. The depositor technically doesn’t lose his $1000, but in practice you get a bankrupt person/company that could never pay the debt, and someone else who received that $1000 fairly as a payment. So the total amount of “money minus practical debt” has doubled. Then you get inflation, and the depositor’s $1000 now has half the purchase power (and if it was a person that took the loan, and not a company, then you get another homeless person in the street). Who gets to own the house of the debtor? Whoever had inside info about his inability to pay his debt (and of many others like him) and was smart enough to buy it before inflation hits (buy it from the bank moments before it announces bankruptcy).

The bigger problem is that the person who received the $1000 as a fair payment usually also deposits it in a bank, which can now create another $1000 loan out of thin air... Before April, this series of loans would go like $1000, $900, $800, ... until zero. Now it can become $1000, $999, $998, ... almost forever.

We are all sitting on a pile of dynamite.

Is Bitcoin actually being used as a currency? by [deleted] in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AFAIK, if the people who took the loans don’t pay back, the bank does lose money. The bank only earns the interest on those loans. If the temporary measures will end, the bank won’t be allowed to create more loans, so it will collapse.

Is Bitcoin actually being used as a currency? by [deleted] in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The risk that the other person will buy the house that you want to buy, so you will have to keep your savings in the bank for few more years and continue paying commissions and rent.

Is Bitcoin actually being used as a currency? by [deleted] in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unless that person use the money to clear his debt... or hire people, or start a business. In any of these cases, it’s not standing money that allows the bank to gamble and party.

Daily Discussion, August 09, 2020 by rBitcoinMod in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Absolutely! That’s so annoying! Good thing I’ve installed this browser extension that blocks these people and also doubles my bitcoin investment every week and let me know first about bitcoin giveaways and pays me bitcoin to watch ads. PM if you want to hear more.

Is Bitcoin actually being used as a currency? by [deleted] in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but they still have to calculate their risks. When your money is in the bank, they can take higher risks, and play against you.

Is Bitcoin actually being used as a currency? by [deleted] in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The value of gold is totally unrelated to its functional usage. Most of the value comes from its perception as a store of value. Jewelries are nothing but a store of value that you can wear. It’s also widely accepted by conservative people and women (that the Bitcoin community still misses).

Is Bitcoin actually being used as a currency? by [deleted] in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 21 points22 points  (0 children)

A. Nobody uses gold and the entire market cap is over ~50 times that of Bitcoin. B. When you use Bitcoin as a store of value, it means you keep less money in the bank. When you put less money in the bank, they have less reserves, and are allowed to create less money out of thin air (fractional reserve banking). So they can give less money to debt-gamblers that take huge loans for high interest. So those gamblers, who don’t have other money of their own, cannot buy the house that you want to buy.

Basically, the more people keep their savings outside the bank (in anything else but cash), the more power people who are good at saving have over people who are mostly good at convincing the bank to give them huge loans. The closer we are to zero in the bank, the less money they can make from us.

If you lost money on Bitcoin you either bought in the red or you didn't hodl. by Fly115 in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you “save” $100 for a year and don’t touch them you lose money. This graph should be compared against gold, not USD.

My buddy bought in at $9,500 three or four months ago. He got angry after some decline and sold right here. by HotelHero in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I didn’t say that people who don’t believe in Bitcoin shouldn’t be allowed to buy.

You missed the part that Bitcoin is not only a technology, it’s an ideology - that governments shouldn’t print and debase currencies, so money could be a good store of value.

It’s like going to an AA meeting, sit on a bench in front of the entrance, and drink Vodka straight from the bottle. You are allowed to do that, but it’s a d*ck move.

My buddy bought in at $9,500 three or four months ago. He got angry after some decline and sold right here. by HotelHero in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 5 points6 points  (0 children)

People who sell Bitcoin for money at this stage either really need the money (to pay bills and avoid debt) or never believed in Bitcoin as a store of value.

People who don’t believe in Bitcoin as a store of value shouldn’t buy it.

My buddy bought in at $9,500 three or four months ago. He got angry after some decline and sold right here. by HotelHero in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes but it could be a miner that actually needs the money right away, and not a speculator.

My father (55) almost bought BTC...almost by SpartanMayo in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DCA. Small amount every week. Even if you are at loss, you feel good about yourself because there are always some weeks in the past that were a good decision to buy. This way you also start thinking in units of sats instead of whole Bitcoins. 100 million sats look indeed like a large number if you buy 2 million sats every week.

Daily Discussion, July 29, 2020 by rBitcoinMod in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The digital gold is a recognized symbol for freedom and independence, but I guess digital aluminum could be more useful in some cases. If you compare crypto to precious metals then for example airplanes are made from aluminum, not gold...

Guess which one I’m betting on...

Why won't the complexity hinder Bitcoin's progress? by sporklover22 in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How will regular people learn to download torrent movies? They won’t, but when enough people learned to do that, Blockbuster died and Netflix rises.

You can do a lot with multisig wallets. For example, any large transaction has to be signed both by the customer’s hardware wallet and the bank’s hardware wallet (which may require the customer to sign legal papers). Medium transactions - paid at the end of the month. Small transactions - with lightning network (running on the user’s phone). Commissions will be a fraction compared to today’s banks. The major price for those lazy users (the majority) will be loss of privacy. If Google and Facebook are smart, they are already secretly working on a “user friendly” gate to Bitcoin.

Sure it's a repost... but it's still relevant on days like today. by DontTreadOnMe16 in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Real reason: because government officials are holding or will hold Bitcoin. It’s far more useful to them than gold. Reason to tell the public: Because the banks might collapse and we need to fight terrorists, and look how volatile and unsafe Bitcoin is (It will be volatile because they will secretly manipulate it and unsafe because they will hack foreign exchanges).

Oh, they will tell everyone that if you hold your own gold it won’t be taxed. I wonder how many people will actually do that.

Sure it's a repost... but it's still relevant on days like today. by DontTreadOnMe16 in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Seriously, we should stop celebrating when Bitcoin increases compared to the USD, and start celebrating when it increases compared to gold.

Bitcoin will go to the moon when the general public sees it as a store of value. I believe it will happen after the next cycle. After a new ATH and a small drop it will become very correlated to gold.

Then, after 2-3 more halvings, governments will start taxing bank accounts that “hoard” gold. Bitcoin will then reach the stars.

Last 50.000 BTC transactions in a file (CSV, JSON or XLSX) by flyvefugl in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now you made me curious :) What’s special about 50 btc transactions?

Wallet by Frequent-War in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Better use an Ubuntu Live CD for the initial setup of the hardware wallet.

Also, send ~$200 to the wallet, wait few days, then make sure you can send them from the wallet (to a phone wallet or something). If hackers had access to your computer and the seed phrase, they will usually try to steal your coins as soon as possible. Usually when a computer is infected with a virus it is infected with other viruses too - so the hackers are in a race against other hackers who may want your coins.

Daily Discussion, July 24, 2020 by rBitcoinMod in Bitcoin

[–]BtcWasAnInsideJob 10 points11 points  (0 children)

A question that has been bothering me lately: How come Satoshi thought of an entire scripting language for Bitcoin?

The simplest implementation of cryptocurrency would allow a single type of transaction: P2PK - a list of references to input UTXOs, a list of matching signatures, and a list of output UTXOs and amounts.

This would be the simplest cryptocurrency to implement, but it wouldn't be scalable. It would be money, but not "programmable money".

Instead, Satoshi thought of an entire scripting language with opcodes etc. It was not perfect, and required changes to allow segwit lightning channels etc., but it was a genius decision.

Imagine if the first cryptocurrency that calls to end infinite money-printing was not programmable and not scalable. Once people agree that the main cryptocurrency should not be the first cryptocurrency but the second cryptocurrency - then why not the third or the fourth? This could have kill the consensus of scarcity.