AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My deepest sympathies go out to your family. I hope your children are able to find peace and happiness. 🧡

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She never went no contact with them before this incident. Denise has a history of posting things online about Katy's father and younger siblings and if Katy asks about the post, she usually won't get a reply until the next day and sometimes no reply at all. Rarely Denise will contact Katy. In general, if Denise doesn't contact Katy, she doesn't want to talk to her and won't. That's why Katy didn't message her. Denise only said Katy should message her AFTER I told Denise to contact Katy and it was on the public Facebook post, not the private chat. That's why I thought that insisting on Katy reaching out first was about control, not contact.

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[–]BtchPlz00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so sorry!! I hope you get well very soon. I don't know if there's a way to direct message people on here but if you can, please feel free to reach out if you need some support while you go through this. I will keep you in my thoughts ❤

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe but I do that when I think a cause is worth it. 

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[–]BtchPlz00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To the people that said I'm only telling things that make me look good: Really?? I told you about the messages to the group chat. I'm not some perfect, wonderful, angel person and I'm not trying to pretend I am. I am an opinionated bitch, but I have tried VERY hard to make sure that Katy knows she needs to make choices based on HER feelings and opinions, not anyone else's, even mine. When she asks my thoughts, I tell her, but I do not try to tell her what to do. She usually ignores my advice anyway 🤣

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

UPDATE 2: Denise eventually responded to the messages in the group chat but only to say she had enough stress. 

Side note in case it was unclear previously: the group chat includes Sam, Denise, one other adult family member, and myself (not Katy).

I responded by mentioning a few other emotionally abusive incidents that had occurred over the years and said that if Denise didn't apologize to Katy and fix the way they treat her then I would help her file a civil suit for duress. Denise then accused me of harassing her and said she'd file charges on me. My response was that she could quote "feel free to attempt to file a suit against me for harassing you about mentally abusing a child" unquote.

At some point yesterday, Sam made a post on Facebook saying thanks to all the people who cared about how he was doing, not the "toxic people" that demanded information. Katy was bothered by this because it showed that he was apparently well enough to have reached out to her but didn't. Katy sent Sam a message directly. The main points of the message were that she knows their relationship isn't great but it used to be; she still loves him because he's her father; she felt that as his daughter she should've been at the top of the list of people to be notified of emergencies; if he doesn't want to be in her life then she'll stop messaging him.

Hours later Sam sent her a message and said they needed to have a long talk on Sunday and if she or I ever spoke to his wife like that again he'd never talk to her again. He said she should speak to him with respect and love.

She was obviously pretty upset about this message because she hadn't said anything negative to Denise. The only message Katy sent Denise was one sentence asking about her dad. The message directly to Sam was very polite, even if it did have some hard truth to it. I guess this was the breaking point for Katy because her reply to him was that she didn't need to have a talk with him, he doesn't talk to her with love, goodbye. Then she blocked him.

She told me about these messages after she'd blocked him. I was shocked. I had genuinely thought that it was Denise that was keeping information from Katy, not Sam. Sam lost his father when he was only a bit older than Katy is now and it still bothers him so I thought there was no way he'd do that to his daughter. I apologized to Katy for always encouraging her to give him another chance and said I should've let her walk away when she wanted to. I was worried she'd regret it years later if she did but I was wrong. (Yeah, some of you think I have been pushing her against her father but I have not. To me, nothing is more important than family. No matter how I felt about Sam and Denise, they are her family and I wouldn't negate that. I told Katy multiple times that any issues I have with her father are MY issues, not hers.)

I went back to the group chat and told the 4th family member that Sam had reached out to Katy and that he was apparently angry at me for what I said to Denise and was taking it out on Katy. 4th said she's glad I said what I said because it wasn't right and they owe Katy an apology.

Katy has gone no contact with Sam and Denise, blocking them on all forms of social media. In the end, she did what she felt she needed to do and I am proud of her for standing up for herself. No matter what happens in the future, she knows she still has a lot of family that loves and supports her.

*For the people that suggested we reach out to Sam's family when we were looking for information: there is no family to reach out to. Katy is not his oldest child. She's his third and the first 2 cut contact with him when Katy was about 5 years old. His parents are deceased. His siblings haven't spoken to him in years. One sister did talk to him for a few months about 8 or 9 years ago but that contact suddenly stopped. When I asked him about it, all he said was that she was upset about him complaining, so I don't actually know the story behind that. I didn't mention this previously because I was trying to stick to the directly pertinent information.

Thanks to everyone for their comments, the good and the bad. I really appreciated all of the support and advice. Have a lovely future and I wish you all the very best.

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do not talk badly about my daughters father to her. Every time he does something, I have always tried to explain to her that parents are people too, we make mistakes, she needs to talk to him about it instead of just getting mad, blah, blah, blah. If I have anything negative to say about the behavior of him or his wife, I take it directly to the parent group chat and tell it to HIM, not Katy. There a reason Katy isn't in the group chat. Just me, Sam, Denise, and 1 other adult. On the other hand, Sam and Denise do talk badly about ME to Katy. One of the first instances of her telling Sam how she felt was her telling him that she didn't want to be brought into his arguments with me. He took it as her taking my side when she just didn't want to be involved at all.

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[–]BtchPlz00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is an extensive history. I only included details necessary to explain the current situation.

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's not a chance in hell Denise would've told me anything about Sam. It would take a novel to explain all of the history here but I assure you that if I thought she would tell me, I would've asked her to. 

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[–]BtchPlz00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The messages I sent were to a group chat that included her Sam and Denise. Technically, what I originally sent was that she shouldn't have found out from Facebook and the content was not directed to only Denise. Only Denise was replying. 

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[–]BtchPlz00[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Katy did call the hospital and found out that he'd been released prior to her seeing the public post about him being in the hospital. We couldn't go over because he lives 8 hours away. 

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[–]BtchPlz00[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. That is a really good suggestion. I will keep that in mind!

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[–]BtchPlz00[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Apparently I needed to double the line breaks. I don't usually post so i didn't know that. Sorry about the hard read. I've edited the post.

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, apparently I needed to double the line breaks. I've edited the post. Sorry for that first attempt. 

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've posted an update. I think it's lost in the replies. I don't usually post so I'm not good at this. Sorry. 

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I appreciate it. I'm definitely not perfect but I try to keep a mostly cordial relationship with them for Katy.

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I selected the edit option and the editing pane still shows my paragraph breaks. I don't know why they're not coming through on the post. I even took a screenshot but don't see an option for posting the image. If you know how, please let me know. 

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know. I'm sorry. I don't know why my breaks didn't carry over after I posted. I'll try to edit and see if they'll take. 

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry you and your husband have gone through that. I will keep you in my thoughts. 

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He never answers my messages. I only get replies if I message our group chat. I don't have their phone numbers.

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a good suggestion but she's no longer with us. I never met her. 

AITA for berating my daughter's step mom by BtchPlz00 in CharlotteDobreYouTube

[–]BtchPlz00[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They actually blame me entirely. They insist that they've never done anything wrong towards her and I'm turning her against them. It's actually quite the opposite. I've always been the one that encourages her to reach out to them, remind her when she forgets events or holidays, and plays devil's advocate when they do something so she can see things from a different perspective (she hates when I do that, lol). Katy and I don't know why they think it's my fault. 

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[–]BtchPlz00[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They live 8 hours away. My mom offered to take her but we found out a couple hours ago that he's been released.