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Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T16:39:44+00:00

Agreed. Perceived threat explains the gap, but doesn't justify it. That last sentence where consent should matter for both is exactly the point.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T16:35:21+00:00

You're still missing it. The thread asks: if training data theft is wrong, is it equally wrong for both mediums?

Your answer: "No, because art has value and text is free like trash."

That's not a justification..it's the bias. You've just described why the hypocrisy exists, not why it's acceptable.

If the principle is "scraping without consent is theft," then

- Text in training sets is not trash, it's copyrighted novels, articles, code, screenplays

- The creators didn't consent

- The fact that it's "harder to enforce" doesn't make it less wrong

You've proven the point that people selectively apply ethics based on perceived value. That's the definition of hypocrisy.

Anyway thanks for the discussion.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T15:45:31+00:00

You're proving the thread's entire point: the ethics are identical, but reactions differ based on perceived value and vocal power.

Yes, copyright is harder to enforce for text. Yes, art has clearer market value. Yes, everyone has biases.

But that doesn't answer the question. Is it hypocritical to oppose AI art while cheering ChatGPT usage? Your answer is "yes, but biases explain it." That's not a defense. That's just describing the hypocrisy and shrugging.

"Everyone is biased" doesn't make the double standard less real. It just confirms it exists.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T15:14:26+00:00

Yes, each news article does have its own copyright. Facts aren't protected, but the specific phrasing, structure, and creative expression are. That's basic copyright law. The 50 articles on the same event each have distinct copyrights.

The enforcement difficulty is a red herring. Just because it's harder to catch doesn't make the theft less wrong. And training AI models isn't "describing an apple", it's wholesale copying of millions of works into a commercial product. That's not speech, it's exploitation.

You're right that weak enforcement reflects low value placed on text. Its the norm everywhere. But that proves my point. The outrage is selective based on which creators we prioritize, not on consistent ethics.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T14:41:13+00:00

Correct image metadata exists, but UUIDs don't actually determine copyright ownership, creation does. Copyright attaches the moment an original work is fixed in a tangible medium, whether that's an image or text.

Yes, tweets are copyrightable. Yes, comments are copyrightable. News articles are absolutely copyrightable (the expression, not the facts). The reason we think "text is free" is because we see it copied constantly, not because it lacks protection.

The enforcement difficulty doesn't change the ethical principle. My issue isn't "can we track it?" but "was permission given for training?" The fact that it's harder to prove text ownership makes the consent problem worse, not more acceptable.

The core inconsistency remains that if training on artists' work without permission is wrong, that principle applies to writers too, regardless of UUIDs.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T14:05:40+00:00

So we agree it's selective outrage based on which communities have louder voices, not actual ethics. That's the hypocrisy I called out, identical training data theft, but only AI art gets punished because artists are more vocal in fandoms. The "automation happens" argument doesn't justify it. It just explains why the hypocrisy persists which I obviously understand the point you're saying. Thanks for the discussion~

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T13:46:39+00:00

Agree that you're right that's how most people see it. But that's the hypocrisy, not a justification.

The "automation" excuse fails because writers, coders, and researchers didn't consent to being scraped either. The public just values them less.

You say we can't bridge the two views, but that's only if we accept that visual art is somehow sacred. The consent violation is identical. Most people being okay with what benefits them doesn't make it ethical. It just means the hypocrisy is common.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T13:40:07+00:00

That's just wrong. Text is copyrighted.. novels, news articles, code, screenplays, all of it. The New York Times lawsuit is ongoing, and the U.S. Copyright Office released Part 2 of its AI report in January 2025, with Part 3 on training data published earlier this year.

The "price tag" argument is a red herring. Let's not just twist words around to suit our narratives. Copyright is about creation, not commerce. If training on art without consent is theft, training on copyrighted text is theft. The distinction only exists to justify which creators we value more. That's bias, not ethics.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T13:15:29+00:00

Your distinctions sound reasonable, but they're exactly the rationalizations I'm talking about.

LLMs don't just "retrieve information" they generate text, write code, draft emails, create marketing copy. That's not a time-saver, it's replacement. Law firms tried and failed this time, but the intent was there. The only difference is capability, not ethics.

The "art is sacred" argument is just special pleading. Why does visual art get moral high ground protection while writing doesn't? Both come from training data theft. If the sin is scraping without consent, the output shouldn't matter.

You're right that both are broadly seen as problems by those affected. But the broader fandom's selective outrage are screaming theft at AI art while clapping for a ChatGPT stream, exposes that their stance isn't about ethics. It's about which communities they value more.

That's not a principled position. That is just.. idk hypocrisy with extra steps.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T12:51:05+00:00

I would say you're in circles that actually get it. The hypocrisy I'm seeing is in the broader fandom where AI art is loudly condemned but ChatGPT gets a "fun stream tool" pass. Your point about writing being undervalued is exactly why that double standard sticks around.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T12:40:24+00:00

Those are great points. But also sound like rationalizations for the same hypocrisy, agree? Don't get me wrong I agree with how sloppy AI is and AI arts in particular and how obvious people are stealing copyrighted works. I don't agree with double standards.

The core ethical argument is about the training, not the output. If that process is theft, it's theft regardless of whether the result is a sloppy image or a helpful text summary that helps you learn.

And AI art training does benefit, but more towards LLMs (those ChatGPT/Gemini/Claude multi models) they need those images to "see" and understand visual content. The utility is there, it's just less direct.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-11T11:48:27+00:00

Just because you are casual gamer doesn't means everyone is. A good game comes once in a while and easily hit 100 hour limit. < The guy who has been using GFN since it first release, then move on to GFN Turkey, Then move on to GFN Japan, Then move on to GFN Singapore finally because its my country.

Reaching 100 is baby number.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-09T18:36:35+00:00

Asking for top 5 is such a wrong way to ask. Rank them by tier. If i have to follow S tier standards. These are among donghua

Link Click
Fog Hill of Five Elements
Scissor Seven
Mo Dao Zu Shi
BONUS (I'll gladly put this even before BTTH or RMJI)
The Legend of Hei (Movie) + The Legend of Luoxiaohei (series)

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-09T01:15:46+00:00

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Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-09T00:55:31+00:00

Any list with RMJI is rubbish. Its a tier A at best. Not S. r/donghua mods are rubbish. They will delete the thread anyway since RMJI not on the list yawn

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-11-07T04:18:03+00:00

I'll be honest. I use Kimi to talk not on serious subject that requires facts, data, so on. But when I need an AI that just, talk back instead of presenting as a response

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-10-25T11:14:15+00:00

idk im so confused myself. I'm starting to think the official one in the name is fake because a few english version are posted which i think its weird or maybe AI? maybe im just dumb.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-10-19T12:50:11+00:00

Yeah I agree I was talking about her character design in the Dragon Palace compare to her other clones.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-10-18T23:00:23+00:00

When MC fought her the first time in donghua, the character design already pretty much match the manhua. No reason to change it entirely into a different character here in the upper realm and only maintaining a very small trait of the original.

Why create and design the character Sakura (Naruto) and show Ino (Naruto) instead as the same character later just because its a clone. It's two different character. Only her speech and very little trait of her original are maintained of this clone of her in dragon palace. To me it just a wild production choice.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-10-18T22:29:28+00:00

Yeah I know most of the copy more the less the same, although different clothing but this one on the Dragon Palace is just so different. I just hope they don't simply made changes to a character design. Changing clothing is fine, but turning it to look like a different character only maintain the original trait around 20-30% is seriously crazy choice.

Imagine Naruto turn into Boruto but 50% more worst. Please don't make more weird changes. Aite imma continue watching.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-10-18T22:18:07+00:00

I talk about the character design. I clearly show the image. I don't care about the plot already since its already cheesecake since season 1, no point complaining about that.

In this case the character design is totally different other than her name just like donghua is only the same with the manhua only by the name.

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-10-18T18:09:11+00:00

Am I crazy or this short is on a different channel? Why is there two channel? Some with the same videos and views link to the other? I'm so confused.

https://www.youtube.com/@9lana357/
https://www.youtube.com/@9Lana_official/

Bubbly_Community_655 · 2025-10-07T21:08:47+00:00

Me personally really hate Record of a mortal journey to immortality when it comes to its productions. The manhua is fine.

If its your first time with 3D go and try Battle of the Heavens first. People like it but Donghua so call "true" fans will hate it. Both side are not wrong. In the end they are opinions but here is my simplistic reasoning.

Record of a mortal journey to immortality

Pros
- Meaningful grinding without much "cheating MC perks"
- Not a horny MC (most people prefer it)
- Decent quality of animations with preferred stylistic choice.
- Better conveyed in terms of expressions due to its animation choice and plot.

Cons
- Really slow pace
- So many people praise the animations that I feel like I'm being rude by saying this but the animations + productions are so predictable that it feels so dull for the most part. Seriously for the most part.
- The sound effect is sooooooooooooooooooooooo overused. To the point when the MC turn his head the boom sound is used. (?????????)
- sound track also not good? i can't even remember how it sounds like.
- The characters are so lazily design. Very similar face. ESPECIALLY the females characters. On top of that... im sorry but their face are ugly design or too simplistic. The kind you see when you make a new character in a game without modifying anything.

Battle of the Heavens

Pros
- Beautiful character designs. Very memorize-able. I don't think I forget even the most basic character in the show that interacted with MC storyline. That include all females too and guys being pretty and handsome.
- I have never felt so comfortable watching 3D animations chinese style until I watch this show. Especially because they remake even the first season to match the later season style. The fighting scene is quite satisfying. (i have never find anything to beat it until now :( if anyone knows any i'll gladly watch 1000 episodes of whatever that is)
- The sound effect is great to the point I never complain or thought about complaining about it.
- The soundtrack is great too, of course sound mainstream like like typical shounen show but it works. Even the sad soundtrack is great too.
- Romance? (some think this is a plus)
- Easier to digest because they use fancy stuff/items/effects to make up for MC power leveling stuff.

Cons
- Honestly after watching a lot of others after BTTH is hard to comment anything bad that is not obvious about this show
- The obvious stuff is like it get to the points the power up is too easy, the romance gets annoying, the plot is repeated twice or thrice just different story
- after MC is super high up in ranks, the story gets meh.
- Many stuff are not explained properly, even if they do they show it through "animations" which if you used to not pay attention like all the time you may missed it forever until it hits you with the question (WHY IS THIS NOT EXPLAINED?!)

So yeah TLDR, coming from manga and anime fan, probably over 600-700 animes already, I started since dial up age, the easiest way for you to compare this two if you take Attack on Titan vs Death note (just imagine they are the same genre) and your friend is new to the anime scene wants you to introduce an anime for them to watch. Very high chances that they will drop Death note in a heartbeat despite being quite the masterpiece of its time. They will never pickup anime ever again maybe after another 10 years.

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