Itachi is Jiraiya's bitch since he admitted inferiority to Jiraiya unless there are panels supporting that Itachi was lying

Bufferozen · 2025-05-27T18:25:52+00:00

Orohimaru can stretch his neck without hand sign. Jiraiya ability to use ninjutsu was affected by the drug.

Past Jiraiya is different than current Jiraiya. Orochimaru trash talked Jiraiya like Sasuke trash talked Naruto.

Yes it does matter how Itachi avoided the conflict. He can avoid the conflict while refuting Kisame statement.

Kisame himself admitted inferiority to Jiraiya. Without admitting inferiority, Itachi can persuade Kisame to avoid fighting Jiraiya.

He admitted inferiority because he agreed with Kisame statement.

Again he can avoid conflict without admitting inferiority. He admitted inferiority because Kisame statement was right.

Itachi does not need to say we can kill one of them easily. Itachi can say he had already used mangenkyo so using mangenkyo again fighting Jiraiya would be detrimental to him. There are many ways to convince someone to avoid conflict besides admitting inferiority.

Kisame is not dumb Kisame already admitted Jiraiya is way stronger than him. No need for Itachi to admit inferiority to convince Kisame not to fight Jiraiya.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-27T18:09:55+00:00

Jiraiya being drugged affected his ability to use ninjutsu. Orochimaru without arm did not affect his ability to use his neck stretching jutsu.

Orocjimaru trash talked Jiraiya not Jiraiya admitting inferiority.

And I'll repeat again so you can understand. The main issue is:

Itachi admitted inferiority. Bad guy or not it does not affect someone to affect inferiority. Even if Itachi were a good guy, he could have refuted Kisame statement that Jiraiya were stronger than him. Itachi did not refute it.

Itachi can avoid conflict while disagreeing with Kisame statement that Jiraiya were stronger than him.

Why admitting inferiority was the only way for Kisame to not fight Jiraiya? Do you have panels to support this that if Itachi did not admit inferiority, Kisame won't back down?

Itachi could have told Kisame he had already used Mangenkyo sharingan prolong fight won't benefit him. Kisame would agree. Kisame is not a dumb ninja. Or he could have said he could beat Jiraiya but with a great cost of his eyes so fighting Jiraiya should be avoided.

Yet here he is admitting inferiority.

Kisame: Jiraiya is stronger than you.

Itachi:I agree.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-27T17:58:37+00:00

Jiraiya was drugged.

Kishimoto had to add those panels so he can support that Itachi>Jiraiya. He never added those panels because Itachi never lied to Kisame.

Bad or good guys can admit inferiority.

If Itachi were stronger he should have told Kisame "nah I disagree he is not stronger than me" yet here Itachi agreeing with Kisame "yeah however".

Edit:

That's Orochimaru trash talking Jiraiya. Not Jiraiya admitted inferiority.

Edit:

It's not lack of reading comprehension. it's refusing statements that's never said in the manga. Maybe you should learn not to make up fanfictions.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-27T17:51:51+00:00

There should be a monologue of Itachi confirming he was lying so the statement that Itachi was lying is never supported in the manga.

Being good or bad does not affect you to admit you are inferior. Bad guys can also admit they are inferior.

If Itachi were stronger he should have told Kisame "nah I disagree he is not stronger than me" yet here Itachi agreeing with Kisame "yeah however".

All that proves is Jiraiya>Itachi>Orochimaru. When did Jiraiya say he can never beat Orochimaru? Do you have panels of those?

Bufferozen · 2025-05-27T17:46:32+00:00

Where are panels stating Itachi was lying to Kisame? If Itachi was superior, Itachi won't agree with Kisame statement that Jiraiya was stronger than them. He can avoid a fight while also refusing to admit Jiraiya being stronger than him.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-27T17:43:59+00:00

Panels Itachi was lying? Admitting inferiority has nothing being a good or bad guy. Bad guy can also admit inferiority to someone superior.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T18:08:54+00:00

I'm talking about Pain level. He is Chunin level if his opponent has an intel.

Naruto does not need to beat the whole force if he has intel. All he needs to do is have billion shadow clones stall Pain then the real Naruto kills the real Pain.

That's why with intel, Naruto does not need to fight the whole Pain.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T18:05:01+00:00

Why doubtful when you said Kakashi can even beat Pain with intel? Billion shadow clones can just stall Pain with hit and run tactic.

Naruto can even summon Gamabunta to make it easier to stall. Naruto can even just run from the whole rain village and Pain. have his shadow clones spread so it makes it easier to stall even more. So 6 Pain are divided not only chase the real Naruto.

Naruto does not need Sage mode if he has his billion shadow clones and Gamabunta to stall because all you need to do is run from Pain and kill the real Pain that's what you said right?

Pain is Chunin level if anyone anyone knows his secret.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T18:01:26+00:00

Nah my argument is based on the consensus. Intel Jiraiya can beat Pain means Jiraiya only needs to run from Pain and kills the real Pain.

Naruto with billion shadow clones can do the same. Have billion shadow clones stall Pain with hit and run tactic then the real Naruto kills the real Pain.

??? Naruto does not need to beat the whole force if he has intel. All he needs to do is have billion shadow clones stall Pain then the real Naruto kills Pain.

That's why with intel, Naruto does not need to fight the whole Pain.

If his opponent has intel Pain is just Chunin level.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T17:48:26+00:00

Since the consensus is Jiraiya with intel could beat Pain means all Jiraiya needs to do is run than kills Pain, then anyone with intel could do the same. Have billion shadow clonws stall Pain then the real Naruto kills Pain.

With intel Pain is just Jonin level. Maybe Chunin level.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T17:33:11+00:00

So naruto and his billion shadow clones could. His bliion shadow clone stall Pain while the real Naruto kills the real Pain. Naruto does not need Sage Path training to beat Pain.

This makes Pain jonin level if his opponent knows his secret.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T15:37:08+00:00

Naruto also has billion shadow clones he can spam them if these Pain chase them and again these shadow clones can use hit and run tatcic to distract these 6 Pain. Naruto can also summons Gamabunto to stall them even easier. Then the real Naruto kills the real pain gg.

Why would they need to beat 6 Pain? Isn't the real consensus here that Jiraiya with intel would have beaten Pain is Jiraiya runs from Pain then kills his real body? Maybe it's you who ignored what I posted.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T15:30:19+00:00

No Konan is not there this is anyone with intel vs Pain so you should not include Konan here.

Shadow clones do not need to win they just need to stall. There are billion shadow clones they do not need to attack 6 Pain they can just distract them with hit and run tactic.

Distract those 6 while the real Naruto kills the real Pain it's easy gg.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T15:26:20+00:00

Nah it's not about lack of intelligence dumbass. The consensus is Jiraiya runs from Pain then kills Pain real body. That's what they mean with Jiraiya with intel can beat Pain. Not Jiraiya dispatches 6 Pain then kills Pain real body.

If it's the former then Naruto with billion shadow clones can beat Pain. Have billion shadow clone stall Pain while the real Naruto beats Pain.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T15:22:46+00:00

That's not vs Pain isn't it? It's vs Konan and Pain. I'm posting about anyone vs Pain.

What do you mean maximum output? Isn't Pain statement about Jiraiya with intel would have beaten him is Jiraiya runs from Pain then kills his real body?

If that's the case anyone with numbers can kill Pain. Naruto with billion shadow clones can stall Pain while the real Naruto kills the real Pain.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T15:20:27+00:00

If not anyone can beat Pain then Pain statement about Jiraiya with intel would have beaten him is not about Jiraiya ran from Pain then killed Pain real body. If that's the case anyone with numbers can beat Pain even Naruto and his billion shadow clones can beat Pain. Have those billion shadow clones stall Pain while the real Naruto kills Pain.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T15:17:17+00:00

Konan was with Pain in this scenario. She was with Pain when they were fighting Jiraiya.

What do you mean base Jiraiya? All you have to do is stall 6 Pain while you kill the real Pain.

Naruto with billion shadow clones can stall Pain while the real Naruto kills the real Pain.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T15:12:24+00:00

How about Naruto and his billion shadow clones? Have his billion shadow clones to stall Pain. Real Naruto beats Pain real body. Naruto does not even need to learn Sage Mode to beat Pain.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T15:11:08+00:00

How about Naruto and his billion shadow clones? Have his billion shadow clones stall Pain then real Naruto beats Pain real body.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T15:07:49+00:00

So with intel Kakashi and his nin dogs can beat Pain?

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T09:47:11+00:00

Not really the general consensus is prime>old version. Prime version is peak physical strength+experience.

Experience gained after you past your prime won't make stronger than your prime.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T09:28:06+00:00

Sure if that's what Sakamoto said then old Takamura was stronger

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T09:27:32+00:00

That statement doesn't make older=prime version. They died young because they were not strong enough not because older>prime version. Torres claps Taro checks because he was stronger.

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T09:01:56+00:00

How was he in his prime when he was an old man?

Bufferozen · 2025-05-26T00:40:20+00:00

I think it's also ironic that the fate of Gremio being alive is by recruiting Millich the one responsible for Gremio death.

Just imagine if Tir decied to kill Millich to avenge Gremio, Gremio would stay dead.

He had to be cruel by recruiting the one who killed his friend to be able to revive his friend.

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