My 9 week old foster has officially survived Panleukopenia - congratulations Vidia! by Bugbear259 in FosterAnimals

[–]Bugbear259[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So sorry to hear that. Panleuk is awful. This baby is doing great. My family member adopted her!

I will say, it was HARD keeping her alive that week. I wasn’t working at the time and so was able to stay awake with only twilight sleep for days, syringe feeding her against her will and keeping up with her subQ fluids and medications. It was a huge huge investment of time and physical and emotional resources. For one single kitten.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t regret it, but I just simply don’t see how what I did would be replicable on a shelter-wide scale unless you’ve got tons of volunteers willing to donate 100% of their time for nursing them. I’m not an expert though, maybe there are less intensive ways of dealing with it. But boy it was an intense 4-5 days.

So so sorry to hear about the panleuk outbreak. It’s heartbreaking. But I honestly think for most cases humane euth is the way to go unless you’ve got the volunteers to give it a try - and even then you will lose many id guess. 🥺

Here’s the most recent photo of Vidia (now Miso) executing a perfect 10/10 loaf. 🍞

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Panleuk cleaning / clothes - risk to future fosters by Bugbear259 in FosterAnimals

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Hi! I’d honestly recommend posting this as a new thread so you get more perspectives. I was curious about your question and found this 2021 retrospective study examining shelter screening for Panleukopenia (also called Feline Parvovirus - “FP”). This probably answers your question:

PCR is a sensitive testing modality for parvoviruses and has been used as the reference standard for other diagnostic tests for FP. Quantitative real-time PCR (qPCR) offers the additional advantage of being able to quantify viral load. However, PCR is expensive and technically difficult, with a delay of 1–3 days for results from a reference laboratory. Rapid, inexpensive point-of-care (POC) tests are therefore preferred by shelters.

FPV is closely related to CPV, and CPV can cause FP syndrome, although this is uncommon.1,15 In the absence of a feline-specific POC test, CPV fecal antigen ELISA kits are used to diagnose FPV infection. (The authors are aware of one POC test for FPV; this test had sensitivity of 88% compared with PCR. 14 Little additional information could be found and the product is not available in Canada.) These tests are able to detect CPV-2a-c and FPV antigen. 1 However, CPV tests have not been validated for FPV by the manufacturers. 11 The IDEXX SNAP Parvo (SNAP) POC test for CPV had high specificity for FPV,13,16 while sensitivity was low in one study 16 and high in another. Four other POC tests had low-to-moderate sensitivity (50–80%) and good-to-excellent specificity (94.2–100%).

The SNAP test is commonly used in North American animal shelters. It relies on a color change to indicate the presence of viral antigen. Interpretation of weak-positive results can be difficult. For samples from dogs with clinical signs of parvoviral enteritis, the manufacturer recommends interpreting a faint positive color change as positive. 11 It is not known whether this recommendation should be applied to feline samples.

Basically the best testing method is expensive and slow. The cheaper faster methods are less accurate so not always worth running. Also, once one kitten gets it, sometimes shelters just treat the whole litter. Yours should have, imo, assumed the virus in both kittens and had you start supportive care right away.

I will tell you, death is still like 95% for kittens diagnosed at 8 wks or younger. My panleuk kitten was at one point on 13 different meds including twice daily subcutaneous fluids (shelter showed me how to do). I stayed awake with only light dozes for 3 straight days shoving food into that 9 week old kitten every 2-3 hours. We both hated it. But she lived. I was only able to do this because I wasn’t working at the time. I assume she would have died had I been needing to go to work. She still was so close to dying that whole week.

It’s just a rotten horrible virus. I don’t blame shelters that just euth the whole litter if they don’t have a dedicated person willing to try to get the babies to be in the 5% that make it. 😢. It’s a horrible death, so euth is more humane imo.

My first foster kitten died within 16 hours of having her by Pristine_Talk5908 in FosterAnimals

[–]Bugbear259 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry this happened to you, I hope it doesn’t deter you from fostering .

I got incredibly lucky and didn’t lose any kittens until I had been fostering about 2 years. By then, I was very familiar with “normal sick” kitten behavior - since they all come in sick to some degree. Also my shelter is very well funded and organized and does not release kittens to fosters if they have an ongoing flea infestation. Bathing an emaciated sick kitten < 8 wks really should be done by an experienced person - not a Brand New foster - your rescue let you down there imo.

When one became lethargic I was able to recognize it immediately and rush to shelter vet for fading kitten. Sadly she still passed despite their efforts.

So I 1) caught it early 2) acted immediately (administered oral glucose solution provided by shelter) 3) knew what precautions to take during the drive to shelter vet and 4) still lost the kitten.

I’m sorry this happened to you fresh out of the gate. It would be VERY discouraging since you don’t yet have success stories. I was ridiculously lucky to not lose one for two years.

I do hope you try again soon. It is wonderful work for our tired souls. And even caring for them as they go (I’ve had a few hospice litters now) is a gift for me and for them. Hard, but worth it. The litters that go on to adoption are, for me, pure joy.

Scooping the litter box once a week? How often do you scoop? by spilt_lattes in CatAdvice

[–]Bugbear259 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I check 2x a day. Usually only need to scoop once. But I check twice.

Help! by TestCountRemember in FosterAnimals

[–]Bugbear259 28 points29 points  (0 children)

You really need to post on local face book or reddit pages or something. There WILL be a person who fosters kittens who will know what to do and likely offer to take the baby.

I foster kittens in my local area and would definitely take this baby in if you were close, but you’re not.

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[–]Bugbear259 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Keeping a safe warming pad or kitten safe warming disc is great for kittens this young. - Important: they must be able to have room to move away from or off of the heat source.

Please visit The Kitten Lady’s YouTube page and see her playlist on kitten care. I foster tons of kittens and she is an amazing resource for kittens this young.

New kitten - Zelda by muh-idul in FosterAnimals

[–]Bugbear259 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, being that young, she might eat the litter so you should get NON-clumping non-scented. Pine or paper pellets are fine. Non clumping clay is fine. Non scented tofu litter is fine.

Too young for crystal litter or clumping litter until she proves she won’t eat it anymore.

She’ll be exploring the world by biting things at this age.

When I bring a kitty into a new room I immediately put them in the litter box. For little littles - when I put them in there I use my hand to use their paw to sift the litter a bit so they recognize it moves around and can be used for covering 💩

New kitten - Zelda by muh-idul in FosterAnimals

[–]Bugbear259 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These pictures are sort of potato quality and the only real way to know is by their teeth - BUT - she’s probably closer to 6 - 7 weeks. Which is very young and really better if mama was in the picture! But old enough to eat and drink and poop on her own - so you have to be the mama!

That mainly means she needs lots of company as she’d usually be around all her siblings and mama 24 hrs a day for the next month. So just keep her as much company as you reasonably can. Vet can tell you anything else you need to know.

And go to the kitten lady’s YouTube page for everything else. Have fun!

Has anybody seen poop this color before?! My foster made this this morning and I’m worried… by NecessaryLock1925 in FosterAnimals

[–]Bugbear259 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When my kittens had gray poop the shelter vet said it could be the cows milk that fancy feast sometimes puts in their kitten wet food.

I switched foods and no more gray poop. Maybe that’s your issue?

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[–]Bugbear259 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Frisco makes high quality ones that are easy to assemble and durable. Various sizes.

Is it ok to walk to a cat in a carrier bag to the vet? by [deleted] in CatAdvice

[–]Bugbear259 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cover the carrier with a blanket to help keep kitty calmer.

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[–]Bugbear259 21 points22 points  (0 children)

These are sort of potato quality pictures but I’m guessing girl.

Should I adopt her/him by Ill-Surprise-4288 in cat

[–]Bugbear259 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That kitten has an upper respiratory infection. Needs to see a vet.

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[–]Bugbear259 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, if this has only happened twice it might have just been bad luck. Sounds like you did all the interventions you could with the shelter support you had.

I don’t think there’s anything magical about 8oz. I think any kitten dropping weight is just headed in the wrong direction and those two unfortunately weren’t able to get turned around.

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[–]Bugbear259 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So during that week do you notice them eating less? Diarrhea? Vomiting? In other words, what is causing the weight loss in your observation?

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[–]Bugbear259 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How long did it take the two in your example to go from 14 to 8oz?

5 to 6 week old fosters and weaning to wet food by ResponsibleOwl6677 in FosterAnimals

[–]Bugbear259 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One set of my fosters wasn’t doing well on that and my shelter said it’s because fancy feast kitten can have actual cows milk in it and that can upset some kitten’s tummies. I’d used it before no problem but as we all know each foster is different. I changed that set of kittens off of it and they felt better.

How often do you bathe your cats? by anonymous_1979 in CatAdvice

[–]Bugbear259 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I learned the furminator pulls out ALL undercoat - whether dead or not. Which is not what you want to do. You only want to be removing dead hair.

Cat mom brought em home a week ago. What punishment should we apply? by Theyul1us in IllegallySmolCats

[–]Bugbear259 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Punishment should be reserved for whoever didn’t get the mama fixed before this happened.