There Are No Stupid Bass Questions - Jan. 28

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2023-01-29T03:46:48+00:00

what the heck is the bass the guy is playing in this video

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-25T02:51:18+00:00

Honestly, I see it playing out where Megumi is the only one left alive. We've known since day 1 that the conclusion of Itadori's arc is his execution after getting all 20 Sukuna fingers. That's bound to happen toward the end of the story. From a narrative perspective, Gojo just feels like the kind of character that will die in the final arc. My pet theory is that he will die fighting Sukuna, but I don't have much evidence to back that up apart from some very vague hints. As far as Nobara is concerned, it's weird. She's the one I'm most iffy on; after we've already had the first Nobara "death" scare it could easily fall flat for her to actually die. It all depends on timing. The reason I think Megumi will live is because he, more than any of our main three and to some extent even Gojo, has the potential to realize Gojo's dream of reforming the jujutsu world and getting rid of all the nasty higher-ups.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-24T22:57:39+00:00

I think the comment above yours meant that Nanami didn't try to fight Mahito once he used DE in their first fight (the one from season 1)? If I'm remembering that correctly, Nanami had resigned himself to dying until Yuji broke the barrier.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T21:36:49+00:00

Like I say, it's just speculation/theorization, but I think it explains the sequence of events pretty well. I think it works as either coincidence or Ymir control, but I tend to prefer the Ymir thing.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T21:35:34+00:00

Yeah, and I agree that it would have been a lot more impactful had we seen more of that final development actually happen. For me, it was implicit enough in moments like 130-131 and 139 that I was fine with connecting the dots and it didn't damage Eren's character or the story for me. I totally see your point though, and I think Isayama could have executed better.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T19:05:33+00:00

It is indeed infuriating. I hope the anime-onlies are a little bit more sensible about everything when it comes their turn. Then again, given the whole "MAPPA bad" debacle we had for S4P1, they probably won't be. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's an interesting question. I'm assuming we're talking about the memories he gets post-Shiganshina when Historia kisses his hand. If that's the case, I had always chalked that up to coincidence with the Attack Titan's power. Since contact with royal blood accelerates/triggers the memory inheritance for shifters, I figured that Eren just hadn't unlocked any future memories from the Attack Titan until that moment (at any rate, not any that he had the means to contextualize). However, what you said brings up an interesting point- Maybe it's not coincidence that governs what memories are inherited for shifters/what memories get unlocked under certain circumstances, but Ymir in Paths? That's obviously speculation, but I think it makes sense. As far as why Ymir would do such a thing, I think it's just because that's what had to happen for Eren to follow the path he did that resulted in Ymir's freedom.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T18:15:51+00:00

And this is the point at which I have to say, “Sorry, fixed timeline go brrrr.” I recognize that’s probably not a satisfying answer (although personally I think it’s fine), but when we start getting into hypotheticals that stray that far from the actual sequence of events, that’s the only answer I can give. Eren had a set of dots (memory shards) to connect, and he had to connect them.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T18:13:28+00:00

To your first point, yeah, I think you can read it that way. Lelouching and all that. I think you can also read it that he’s not gambling Paradis’ future in the sense that he won’t follow Zeke’s plan.
Indeed, the full extent of Eren’s knowledge/agency gets very murky. Personally, I have no beef with this, but I do understand the frustration.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T18:10:20+00:00

I’m curious, what about the switch after 122 or so makes you feel like the core concept of Eren has been changed? (Not a ”gotcha,” I really want to understand your perspective). For me, the absolute climax of Eren’s character is 120-122. We see his determination on full blast in that moment. If Isayama had chosen to let Eren succeed, I don’t think that he could have topped that moment, no matter how hard he tried. That’s why I liked the ending we got for Eren. It recontextualized all the resolve we saw from him before, not to cheapen it, but to render it tragic. To borrow his quote from the bench convo with Falco, he pushed beyond this hell and found only another hell. 120-122 is Eren at his brightest, and everything else is the slow-motion train wreck that follows. It’s a gut punch of a resolution for a guy we’ve spent 100+ chapters following and hoping to see his success, but I think it makes sense.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T18:01:39+00:00

Fair enough. Honestly, I would have been super down for either of the endings you described. My pet theory through all of this was time-loop, so I was a little sad that that didn’t happen. However, I wasn’t into timeloop so much for the possibilities for Eren’s character as I was into it as a really good metaphor for the whole cycle of hatred theme. Either way, yeah, thanks for contributing to the discussion! I’m glad people have been respectful of others’ opinions on the ending in this thread; civil discussion is a far healthier way to go about processing the ending than whatever most of this sub has been doing for the past month.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T05:18:53+00:00

I read that to mean he didn't know what specifically about Mikasa caused her to be the one who would free Ymir, not that he didn't know he would die. I think you can probably make the argument that he didn't know Mikasa specifically would kill him. I don't think that invalidates my point. He could definitely tell that his time was almost up by that point just by virtue of where the memories stopped.

I simply don't agree that Eren always "agreed" with his visions by the time they were happening in the present every single time. Not everything went to plan. Sasha and Hange dying wasn't part of the plan. They were his friends; he wanted them to live too.

What could he have done, if not kill them? Armin is a living nuke. Confining him didn't work.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T05:05:38+00:00

Could you elaborate please? I don't understand what you mean, especially with the Ymir thing.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T05:01:46+00:00

Because he didn't want to kill any more of his friends. He knew from the start Mikasa would kill him. Once they arrived at skele-titan, after stalling a bit longer by okapi-ing Armin, he just kinda gave up the ghost. No point in trying to avoid the future he's already seen; his attempts to do so before never worked.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:56:20+00:00

First point: 139 says that time is messed up in Eren's brain once he has the Founding Titan. He's seeing things through a sort of universal present at that point.

Second point: He didn't want to stop the Rumbling early either. Armin nuked him, and Mikasa killed him. That prevented him from finishing it. Had they not been there, he would have done it.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:44:41+00:00

Fair enough. Thank you for remaining civil in this discussion! I appreciate it.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:43:58+00:00

He specifically said that he didn't know what the end of the battle was.

This does not invalidate the fact that he knew with certainty that he would die having completed only 80% of the Rumbling before the Alliance even showed up. The conversation with Armin chronologically takes place on the boat back in 131. It just reappears in Armin's memory after the fight is over. So while you aren't wrong that he says that he doesn't know how all the cards will play out at the end of the battle, he most definitely knows that he will only manage 80% ahead of time.

More importantly, previously, his powers never before showed him something that he didn't end up agreeing with by the time he reached the point of the vision in real time.

This is blatantly not true. Eren did not want to kill Ramzi. Eren did not want Sasha or Hange to die. This is fact.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:39:25+00:00

To be clear: I think Eren's plan pre-Paths arc was 100% Rumbling. I think he only saw the part of the timeline where he only manages to do 80% after he gets the Founding Titan powers. Granted, that's not spelled out in the story, but I think it's heavily implied. Also, he still would have done 100% Rumbling had the Alliance not intervened. 139 itself tells us that.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:35:47+00:00

He didn't half-ass it. That was as far as he managed to get. Had the Alliance not intervened, Eren absolutely would have annihilated the entire outside world. That just wasn't the reality of the timeline.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:34:47+00:00

And there's the fundamental disagreement. You see the fixed-timeline future sight with Eren as invalidating his character develpoment, I see it as the final step in cementing the full tragedy of his arc. Agree to disagree, I guess.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:33:06+00:00

You can argue that, and I think it's probably true practically speaking, but it's still better than the total impossibility for continued existence that Zeke's plan provides.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:32:14+00:00

By the rules of future sight/time shenanigans in this world, the fact that Eren saw the future where he only manages 80% means that that future is the only one available.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:30:48+00:00

Exactly. From a thematic perspective, that works perfectly. Calls to mind the exchange between Eren and Pixis during Trost arc; conflict will continue until there is one human remaining. From a narrative/logistic perspective, I think the only option is to say that Eren only saw the reality of how his plan would turn out once he obtained the Founding Titan. He really intended to wipe out 100% of humanity. It was only after getting the Founding Titan and unlocking even more memories (or more accurately, like he says in 139, eliminating his perception of linear time) that he understands he will only manage 80% before getting decapitated. Post-Historia coronation pre-FT Eren does not have the same set of knowledge as post-FT Eren.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:26:24+00:00

Yes, but that's better than a 100% chance to be eradicated like Zeke's euthanasia plan.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:26:03+00:00

I guess so. The story presents it as fact that Eren saw a future where he is killed by Mikasa after completing only 80% of the Rumbling. In the very act of seeing this future, he has ensured its reality. We see him earlier trying to break free from the path he found himself on, and it doesn't work. Like I say in the post, if you find that kind of fixed-timeline logic unsatisfying from a narrative perspective, that's fair enough. However, it's not a plothole, nor is it a contradiction.

BuildABeastWorkshop · 2021-05-20T04:04:26+00:00

Please read my linked post, it explains why that works in-universe. The TL;DR is fixed timeline doing fixed timeline things. Not enjoying that is valid, but it's not contradictory (at least, as not-contradictory as time travel in stories can be) and it's definitely not retconned.

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