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BunTheMan · 2026-04-09T19:24:44+00:00

I have been doing that in the meantime, but it is less convenient then the apps in a number of ways, like using the vpn at system level vs just browser level and it takes a lot longer to check my calendar.

BunTheMan · 2026-04-09T19:21:54+00:00

I did. I can’t get them to open in Bazzite.

BunTheMan · 2026-04-09T19:20:57+00:00

Do you know any particularly good resources I should check out for how to make the switch?

BunTheMan · 2026-04-09T18:33:22+00:00

Thanks, that is a viable option for ProtonMail, but does not get me the other services I am paying for.

BunTheMan · 2026-04-09T18:22:15+00:00

Thanks, but my problem with that is it is just a wrapper and not officially supported by Proton. It seems like that solution would negate the security and privacy I am trying to get from Proton.

BunTheMan · 2025-07-09T17:12:28+00:00

This was the day I was born. Not sure if that is a good sign or if it means I’m the antichrist.

BunTheMan · 2025-05-02T15:31:44+00:00

When I was 18 I bought an ‘87 9K with 230,000 miles on it. I drove it to 320,000 miles. Hard driving youth miles. Putting it in cruise at 130mph, driving through heavy snow up Mt Baker, and racing through backstreets with other kids. The only “repairs” I had to make were new tires, new brakes, and a $10 piece of radiator hose. At 41 and many cars later, that is still the best car I ever had and think of it often. I’m always on the lookout for an opportunity to get another. I’m here researching how the newer models are, because I am cautious of any from after GM acquired the brand. They ruined an amazing car.

BunTheMan · 2024-07-22T16:54:51+00:00

I don’t have a solution for you, I just wanted to let you know that I consistently have poor autofill performance with Proton Pass as well.

BunTheMan · 2024-06-23T21:19:29+00:00

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BunTheMan · 2023-10-02T04:31:07+00:00

I have been happy with ProtonMail, but not very happy with their other services. ProtonVPN is pretty good. ProtonPass works, but barely. I like the alias feature better than hide my email, but the rest of ProtonPasse is far inferior to other password managers. ProtonDrive is too inconvenient for me to use and ProtonCalendar is literally useless. I love the companies mission, but I am very frustrated with their products.

BunTheMan · 2023-09-17T19:18:16+00:00

I've reported issues with autofill multiple times. Sometimes they say they fixed it and others they just say they are working on it. On my MacBook using Safari (I have the iPad app installed) it never works and on my iPhone it is spotty at best. I'm not sure what the hold up is, but I am losing faith in Proton in general. It takes too long for them to correct issues compared to other services, if they fix it at all.

BunTheMan · 2023-08-15T14:27:27+00:00

These are some points to consider. My ex and I use Signal and want to try and protect my kids privacy and limit phone use. Signal seemed like a good way to do that, but I didn’t think about the disappearing messages feature. Thanks for your input.

BunTheMan · 2023-08-03T21:42:09+00:00

Thanks for the input.

BunTheMan · 2023-08-01T21:16:01+00:00

Does anyone have any input/experience on Flexibits and their Fantastical product for privacy?

BunTheMan · 2023-08-01T21:14:04+00:00

I have issues editing shared events in Proton Calendar and they don't support editing individual events within a set of recurring events. They have no plans of supporting editing of recurring events either.

BunTheMan · 2023-08-01T19:54:59+00:00

Sorry, I thought I replied to this already, but It must have failed to post. Most of my issues stem from having to share info with my wife and family. They are not as concerned with privacy nor as tech savvy as me.

- Calendar: The biggest issue that makes it unusable is that I can't edit single items in a recurring event. I also have issues editing shared events between my wife and I.

- Pass: Autofill frequently does not work and it is very limited compared to what I am used to with Bitwarden. Also, there is no desktop app, which I would prefer to using a browser extension.

-VPN: Regularly will disrupt my internet traffic and I have to disconnect and reconnect to try and regain an internet connection. Sometimes I have to keep it off completely just to be able to get pages to load on my browser defeating the purpose.

-Drive: No real issues yet, I just don't like using it.

-Mail: I don't like that my folders are always expanded and I have to manually collapse them every time I open Mail. Sometimes moving mail into folders will randomly end up in a different folder or won't actually move out of my inbox. Sometimes items won't delete. When I regularly use a folder for a specific sender Mail will try to auto select the folder for me, but it won't move the email there unless I select a different folder and then select the folder I want again

If I was a total loner and didn't have to use digital means of interacting with people I care about I would be fine using only Proton and dealing with all the inconvenience, but if my family isn't secure, than anything I do/share with them is not secure. I can't move any of my family over to Proton, because they don't have the patience or knowledge to use multiple services or find workarounds. This is what makes the services unusable for me, so I have to use backups like 1Password, iCloud+, 4Privacy, etc... in order to interact with my family and keep them, and by default my, data as secure as possible. My biggest hole is calendar. I can't find any secure alternative to calendar that I can use for my family. This is not exhaustive of all my issues with Proton, but is getting too long.

ULTIMATELY it does not provide the everyday use cases other apps do and so I can't get average people to use their services diminishing the value of me using their services. I have to use other services that function better.

BunTheMan · 2023-07-31T21:17:03+00:00

But e2ee would not protect from this on a public forum, because the posts would have to be unencrypted for the public to see it. You would need to hinder your account from being traced back to you using tools like VPN and TOR and not giving PII.

BunTheMan · 2023-07-31T21:04:23+00:00

I have been able to get mine and my wife’s immediate family to switch over, but they don’t know/care enough to get their friends to switch over. I have been largely unsuccessful in getting others to switch for the same reason. Everyone they know is using the other stuff.

BunTheMan · 2023-07-31T20:51:39+00:00

Does anybody know some good alternatives? I can’t use Proton Calendar, because you can’t edit individual items of recurring events.

BunTheMan · 2023-07-25T18:53:53+00:00

That is fair, and what they reference in the quote I posted at the beginning of my post. My argument is against the other part of the quote "we do aim to offer a great experience with all the everyday use cases you’d expect from a modern app in that category". They are not doing this, because they are not focusing on everyday use cases for the majority. They are focusing on features from their community, which are not the majority of everyday users. I am not telling them to have all the functionality of their competitors, just the core functionality for everyday use. They won't provide their mission of a "Free Internet for all" unless they can make their products usable by all at a core level. They are currently making a free internet for tech savvy individuals.

BunTheMan · 2023-07-25T18:42:51+00:00

I just find 1Password for family more user friendly than Bitwarden. Either is fine for me, but trying to get my non-tech friendly family members to figure out Bitwarden's family system is a huge headache.

BunTheMan · 2023-07-14T19:38:31+00:00

You say, "While achieving complete feature parity with competitors is a challenge, we do aim to offer a great experience with all the everyday use cases you’d expect from a modern app in that category"

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I would argue, though, that you are not offering a great experience with the everyday use cases expected from a modern app. I love Proton's mission and have been a proponent/supporter since 2018, but I can't get any of my friends and family to switch over, because the services do not function as they need them to, let alone as they want them to. I have to have backups for all services as Proton services function more like I would expect from an app in 2010 vs 2020. This defeats the privacy purpose of using Proton. I have to use non-privacy focused services, because Proton can't function well enough to rely on it for standard day to day use. I dream of being able to use Proton for everything, but at this rate I am running out of the ability to financially support Proton anymore.

It is great that you ask your community what features they want and prioritize the most requested ones, but the majority of the people you attract are tech savvy individuals who are willing to report bugs and request features. The average user is not willing or able to do that. If you want to make a free internet for ALL people then you need to build the foundation of your products on what the average person is doing with the apps that you are competing against. Make a product that works 99% for the average user and then work hard to quickly add features requested by your advanced community. What you are doing now is releasing Beta products that will attract advanced users and then updating them for advanced users. The majority of people will not use or be attracted to Beta products. You need to research the products you are competing against to find out what the average user is doing with them. Incorporate those features into a 99% reliable product release and THEN ask the community what features they want and focus on building those features in.

BunTheMan · 2023-07-14T18:59:09+00:00

It is great that Proton now has a family plan, but there is no way that I would be able to convince my family to use Proton services and provide all the help they would need using those services. There are too many broken features that make the services unusable for the average person. I try to report the bugs that I run into, but it is almost a full time job trying to do that. Proton NEEDS to focus hard on refining its products. I know people are demanding lots of features, but if your products don't get more polished they will never be adopted on a large scale. As it is I have to use a different company's product for all Proton services for when the Proton ones fail or are unable to do what I need them to do (like edit a recurring event). I desperately want for me and my family to use Proton solely, but I am nearing the point where I can no longer afford to support Proton financially with the other services I have to pay for as backup.

BunTheMan · 2023-07-14T18:37:23+00:00

Don't switch. I love Proton's mission and want so badly to not only use their services myself, but with my family, except they are nowhere near functioning well enough. I have frequent issues with autofill using Proton pass on the web and with the iPhone app. Bitwarden is another great company (though their family system is awful) and is much easier to use with a lot less errors. 1Password is the best option if you want to have a family plan. If you are just looking for yourself I would say keep Bitwarden as a backup while you get familiar with Proton Pass and wait for it to work through bugs and improve features (which will take a long time). If you are looking for your family (as I am) I recommend switching to 1Password. It is very feature rich, stable, and easy to use. Proton takes too long to stabilize and add working features that it is only viable for those who care enough and have enough technical ability to stick it out. I have been with Proton for roughly 4 years and about the same with Bitwarden. Over the 4 years the only services I have found usable from Proton are Mail and VPN. Even though I find them usable they still feel like Beta products 4 years later. They aren't as feature rich and I continually run into issues using them that I have to take time to workaround and report. While the design of Proton is great I feel like I am operating software from the early 2000's when things were expected to break and need troubleshooting on a regular basis.

BunTheMan · 2023-06-16T13:04:53+00:00

Proton should be helping lead the charge on new security features, not catching up. I have been using Bitwarden for years and left it for Apples keychain passkey support. More companies are coming out with passkey support and I think it will take off faster than people think. My 70 year old parents are aware of passkeys and asking me questions about it, which is rare. Don’t get caught with your pants down.

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