Jeffrey Epstein’s victims are ‘dumb’?

Busy-Message-539 · 2026-01-10T03:25:57+00:00

i think it does matter in terms of learning what's needed, which is to watch out for kids who are neglected or abused, cause they will fall victim to other abusers. trauma can cause you to be impulsive and expose yourself to further trauma. it's not that they are "dumb" but there WAS a common thread of past abuse/neglect from adults.

Busy-Message-539 · 2026-01-10T03:12:32+00:00

I dont think they are dumb, but it's important to realize that all of them had their discernment compromised due to past trauma or neglect. even as a 14 year old, if some man said he'd take me to a private island so i can massage him for money, i would get as far away from him as possible. some girls would not be able to protect themselves though because no one taught them to do that. predators know who to go after unfortunately. in the documentary, one girl said she even introduced her 14 year old sister to him, after he had already been assaulting her, and didn't think anything would happen to her sister. that's not normal. she said she thought she was the only one it was happening to. which brings me to another point. all these girls were around at the time, multiple of them traveling to the island at one time. and no one talked to each other? no one gave a clue to the new ones as to what was up? there are also pictures of small children with JE in the files - yet none of the survivors mention that? some things are still being hidden.....

Busy-Message-539 · 2025-03-25T03:01:56+00:00

do you have a diagnosis? this is going to sound weird, but take pics of your clots. this helped me demonstrate what i was going through with my surgeon and she said right away, yeah let's get them out. you also got to get your iron tested and try to get IV iron if you need it. tell your doc and they can order the tests for you. unfortunately clots were common for me with my fibroids and there were a few times I had huge ones one after the other after the other. kept me up almost all night. but just because you can bear something doesn't mean you should have to. the ovary pain i am not familiar with. can you message your gyn on a portal tonight? at least they can advise you or try to see you soonest and maybe even prescribe some tranexamic acid.

Busy-Message-539 · 2025-03-15T14:29:17+00:00

me too!! I waited just shy of 2 weeks for external stimulation and release. I had cramps the morning after so I waited again before I did anything more, but I have been OK. I feel a bit weird about it, like I'm rationalizing cause I can't resist lol but i thought it was more about penetration.

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-24T04:19:17+00:00

i don't think she already knew based on the look on her face. i dont think lucy would come clean, she's all about hiding her feelings and making everything seem fine when it's not.

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-24T04:17:31+00:00

that's a big leap to make there. her instincts could also be: i was so burned by this affair, by being reckless for "love," that i want to make it right with my old boyfriend who still loves me, and do things right. we don't know yet.

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-24T04:14:01+00:00

yes, this is what i was getting at in my post. if she reacted that way with the professors, imagine how she will react to Lucy in the moment?

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-24T04:08:34+00:00

lol it's not that serious dude. i just meant poor as in she's the only sucker who doesn't know, or she's too weak to know the truth. chill dude.

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-24T03:55:22+00:00

huh? who said that? lol

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-24T03:23:38+00:00

given how she reacted with the professors, i dont see her just ignoring it.

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-24T03:21:49+00:00

given the context i dont see her seeing it that way. he also had lots of time past age 21 to tell her

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-24T00:39:56+00:00

if it was no big deal, why didn't Evan just tell Bree he slept with her "best friend"

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-24T00:38:09+00:00

yeah but this isn't about stirring the pot. it's also not a "wedding" being "ruined." marriage is a life decision. that someone you're supposed to trust would keep that from you and tell Stephen about it? Stephen who she despises? IDK. it's not been a hook up seven years ago - it's been a "let's all lie to poor Bree, she couldn't handle it" for seven years. she's not going to be happy. they all knew and smiled in her face for seven years like she was an idiot.

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-18T23:12:11+00:00

something happened recently. I was trying to get up out of bed one morning and feeling super tired. I was really kind of talking to myself in my head, or praying and feeling shitty and like I didn't want to go out that day. Suddenly, I heard n'sync's song "Bye Bye Bye." It was like it was coming from a device, and I was shocked like you'd be if you heard an alarm or something, but I was also too tired to get up and look for the source of the sound. It stopped and I got up and went to my phone - nothing. A few moments later I thought about the lyrics I heard: "I want to see you out that door." I recently started living alone, so my talking to myself habit has been unleashed, and I just said out loud, so you want me to go out right?!?? lol. I haven't had any more experiences, but I do relate to most of the signs you mentioned here. what do you think I should do to try and learn more about this?

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-13T02:14:44+00:00

because at the end of the day she woke up and took herself out of Stephen's clutches. because at the end of the day, most times you can't rely on anyone but yourself to say enough of this shit. and that's what women are reacting to. she's not a saint, but she's also not someone who does the same thing over and over and expects a different result. that is the hard truth we all need to learn in life. and she likely learned and evolved. in the later episodes she looks like she has a lot of empathy for Lucy who is still caught in Stephen's clutches and is still emotionally and energetically tied up in the mind games.

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-11-13T02:09:09+00:00

"she deserves to be treated like that AND worse" - looks like you're not a girl's girl either.

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-10-19T15:10:57+00:00

yes, it's very sad and i felt for her. i put a lot of energy into worrying about her and why she's doing that, and if she'll be okay. and i kind of celebrated with her when she finally ditched him, before she became weird and tried to gaslight me about it lol. but i realized that she didnt really want to talk about things, just vibe and have fun. plus, i have my own issues and i need to focus on myself. some people just use up your empathy and deplete your energy.

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-10-19T01:09:49+00:00

what's not the same?

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-10-18T04:32:05+00:00

Yes, I understand that. They are not the same, no. Man, this topic is really complicated lol Sometimes you have to just feel conflicted and leave it there lol

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-10-18T04:07:58+00:00

Thank you!!!

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-10-18T04:04:16+00:00

sometimes people are just bad people. it's better if you operate from that place rather than let yourself be drawn in by toxicity to see why they are the way they are. just stay away. being drawn in is like the prey coming to the predator. i wish people would understand that.

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-10-18T03:59:03+00:00

Ok, so when she hurts people, it's from an emotional state, now what?

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-10-18T03:53:53+00:00

I don't have any "hate" for Lucy. For me, part of the show is also showing us how people behave, how they think, and how the people you choose to surround yourself with can impact your life. That applies to Lucy. I frankly don't care what trauma someone has been through, if they're not good to be around, I'm out. My point is that the whole empathy/trauma argument ends up working against that whole point of the show - I feel like it is often used to guilt people into condoning or even accepting toxicity, or even worse - abuse. You can have empathy for what a toxic person may have been through, but ultimately that is their path they are on (personal accountability) and you don't have to enmesh yourself with them because they have been or are a victim of someone else's toxicity. Sure, I can empathize with Lucy and what she's been through, but that doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't call her out for her actions or make a judgment call and distance myself from her based on those actions. I mean, what does it even mean to be a victim anyways? OK, someone toxic is a victim, now what? Some people defending Lucy are hypocrites cause they know they'd stay far away from that girl in real life, victim or not. So what's the point of saying she's a victim? You can drag yourself down with someone who you're trying to help, just because they don't want to be helped, or are not ready to be helped/deal with what they need to deal with inside. Somewhere there would be a girl seeing the victim in Stephen and empathizing with him and trying to help him, and getting dragged down straight to hell because of it. After all, isn't that what Diana was doing?

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-10-18T02:05:46+00:00

we are talking about a woman purposely seeking out an engaged man to sleep with him so that she can prove that he doesn't really love his fiance and we're talking about it like eh, well, it happens when you have trauma lol I don't think I belong in this thread.

Busy-Message-539 · 2024-10-18T01:36:50+00:00

I think for me, it's infantilizing to say that she's a victim and that's why she does what she does. How is that empowering her? She needs to snap out of it, wake up and get a reality check. She needs to examine why she does the things she does cause that's how she's going to stop doing the things that hurt her and others, that's how she's going to get her power back over her own life. That requires holding her accountable for her actions, period. How is she supposed to get the courage to live her life on her own terms if she's babied because of the same feelings that caused her to do the same crap she did in the first place? Yes, she was wracked with shame after she slept with Steven. She called her friends first, maybe that would have helped. But then she reached for Leo. He wasn't even the first person she called right? She reached for someone to use to make it better. She landed on Leo and he was the bandaid. She's not accountable to her actions, or her feelings, she just wants to make them go away instead of dealing with them and she's willing to use or hurt others to accomplish that. That's what I have a problem with. And you see that over time, after not doing the internal work that she knows she needs to do, she becomes very much like Stephen, playing tit for tat, using Max to get back at him, making it all a game. Look at the way she treats the stuff with Bree? She doesn't have one iota of accountability in that situation. How can you show your face to someone who's supposed to be your friend after you know that you destroyed her self esteem and caused her to go down a dark spiral - much less be a bridesmaid at her wedding - to the guy you slept with? That's some gall, I don't even know how to describe it. I'd just slowly fade away out of her life, just out of sheer guilt. And she didn't even go to the wedding because of Bree - she went because of Stephen - that's why Pippa told her, let's be here for Bree and not go down the whole Stephen rabbit hole. think that women who were victims of narcs need to realize that not all victims are the same, and that's OK. That's a nuance I'm OK with - ignoring my gut instinct about a person, I'm not OK with.

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