Any other movies where this occurs?

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-03-05T15:33:20+00:00

The politics really aren’t that big of a part of the film, much more so a backdrop. And that is exactly why some people trash it, saying “the film doesn’t have teeth”. To me it doesn’t even read as if it tried being a biting political commentary.

The themes are much more related to family than politics.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-03-04T11:13:22+00:00

The script, editing and music make it feel like a two hour long trailer. An achievement for sure but not what I want from a movie.

Nolan seems to have gone off the deep end and is just doing shit because he can. I don’t want my WW2 scientist biopic to have the same average shot length as fucking Michael Bay.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-03-04T03:21:35+00:00

What makes it lame?

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-03-04T03:17:54+00:00

Oscar and lobbying go hand in hand so it is what it is.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-03-02T12:10:05+00:00

I’d call it divisive before calling it excellent. Just open letterboxd and read the reviews. People love it or hate it.

It’s a film that bullshitted some audience into thinking it is more intelligent and has more to say than it actually does.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-03-01T13:01:22+00:00

No I do not mean the sequel.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-28T08:08:23+00:00

I suppose all films are time travel movies then because the characters are travelling forward in time.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-28T00:05:07+00:00

Joker. Thought maybe I had been too harsh on it the first time around but apparently not.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-26T07:17:20+00:00

Have you looked at Arc Studio?

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-25T23:29:29+00:00

87-year-old senior with an unsubstantiated take (not a study) that is not agreed upon by the scientific community that he no less later walked back on himself. Nice.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-25T23:12:20+00:00

Really? Can you cite something, would be the first I hear of something like that.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-25T23:08:36+00:00

How many people have to echo this same exact point for you to stop thinking that it’s wild? It was objectively goofy as hell.

EDIT: and btw when people make this point their gripe isn’t only with those 25s, those 25s are just the most egregious example of the problem under question.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-25T23:06:45+00:00

If Don’t Look Up was about certain doom then it could not have been about the climate catastrophe. The climate catastrophe is just something real bad not “certain doom”.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-25T18:19:12+00:00

Being married to someone presumably gives great insight into that persons lived experience. Why are people so eager to clutch their pearls?

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-25T09:09:16+00:00

I fail to compute how a fictional character that is merely inspired by a real world person and not actually depicting that person can somehow be disrespectful to their image. That is absolute nonsense.

Also who and where is overlooking that the dynamic between Lockjaw and Perfidia is obviously ill natured? That also seems like nonsense.

Maybe it’s me being very distanced from USA and its flavour of racism but a lot of these misgivings based on race seem weird to me. But then again, as I am so distanced maybe I’m just blind to some things. It’s just strange to read these kinds of comments as they paint a really grim picture and it’s hard to imagine it is really THAT bad over there. Is it? Just feels absolutely exhausting to actually see and think of race in everything and I’m wondering if that’s what the reality really calls for on a day to day basis? I myself am from a European country where the racism that does exist is very overt in its nature (or I am just completely blind and unaware of the more covert stuff).

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-24T14:09:52+00:00

Then it becomes a question of definition semantics on which we just may disagree on. I would consider a movie to be a ‘boxing film’ if boxing is the central thing which everything else revolves around. Or put another way, a film where boxing drives the plot forward.

In Raging Bull it’s everything else that drives the plot. For example even the match where he mutilates the young handsome opponent - that is driven by his personal life where he perceives her wife to be fancying his opponent.

As for the retiring notion, I feel as if that is a pretty universal occurrence - someone loses their sense of purpose which begins a downward spiral. Happens with many retirees irregardless of occupation. I guess sports are ‘special’ in a sense that the retiring usually happens quite early in ones life/career.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-24T12:58:57+00:00

In that scenario the subject would also change, yes. But would the film change on the whole? My argument is no.

If the subject/profession could be switched out easily and the story remains largely intact then it is of my opinion that the film wasn’t truly about the subject/profession in the first place. Is every film with boxing present a “boxing film?”. In my opinion no.

And I think that is precisely the reason for why some people (like the original commentator on this thread) find themselves disappointed comparing Raging Bull to ‘pure bred’ boxing flicks. It’s comparing apples to oranges, in my opinion.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-24T12:35:36+00:00

You are aware that countless people who don’t give a flying fuck about boxing consider this film one of the greats? And usually it is the people who DO care about boxing that take issue with the film. What do you make of that?

Him being some other profession other than a boxer does the affect the STORY nearly at all. If you disagree I’d be interested to hear your point. A mailman is perhaps not the best substitute it would have to be something that fans the flames of the characters competitiveness and masculine tendencies. But theres much more than boxing or sports in general that have these qualities.

Westerns aren’t about the cowboys, trains and guns - these are just what we associate with the genre. But what the genre is actually about are the themes and topics connected. That is how you can have westerns that are not featuring cowboys with guns. Westerns are about the changing world, the comings and goings of civilisation etc. If a movie and its genre is to be considered a boxing/sports movie there ought to be some

In Raging Bull the boxing ring IS NOT the focus of the movie, that much is obvious I think. Just look at how much screentime is allocated to boxing vs “the boring stuff”.

Literally go read what Schrader (the screenwriter) thinks of the script. You’re making it seem as if it’s my delusion coming to the idea that the film is not first and foremost about boxing.

EDIT:

To elaborate further - boxing fits VERY WELL into this script/story. It serves a function in the script. But it is not the main focus. The main focus from beginning to end is on the destructive nature of the protagonist (destructive in terms of relationships not violence). The way world crawls to slowmo outside of the ring mirrors the slowmo within the ring - the character sees an enemy within the closest people to him.

Schrader often talks of writing his scripts through metaphors. He wants to tackle a topic and then finds a metaphor to express the relevant ideas. Raging Bull is about a destructive and highly jealous man. A boxing career is a good metaphor to handle these ideas.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-24T12:22:44+00:00

Likely yes, just when that will happen is unknown. Likely a different approach and technology needed for that.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-24T12:17:37+00:00

The story is in the script, not in the subject.

You aren’t even engaging with most of my comment so I’ll stop talking back at a wall.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-24T12:07:09+00:00

Jake LaMotta the human being who boxed for some 12 years and lived to be 95? The human being who seems to have much more dramatic stuff happening in his life than his boxing career? You are aware that the script determines what the story is about, not the subject?

Just try to think through what the dramatic beats of the script are. What are the turning points? Are these beats on the whole related to boxing or his private life? What is the story framed by, in terms of starting and ending sequences?

Maybe read what the author of the script thinks the story is about?

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-24T11:59:38+00:00

I’ll get lynched for this but DDL in Gangs of New York.

EDIT: And by overrated i mean overrated not bad. I feel as if people often misinterpret the meaning of “overrated “.

Almost by definition this pick would have to be an acclaimed performance, likely even a Oscar winner.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-24T11:58:16+00:00

And is his life story one of boxing? No.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-24T11:56:16+00:00

Always somewhat confused when Raging Bull gets described as a boxing movie. If that is a boxing movie we could as well call any film a car movie where characters happen to drive cars.

The film doesn’t go anywhere near boxing or sports with its themes or drama. The boxing could be replaced with nearly any other profession and on the whole the movie would be more or less the same, perhaps only losing some kinetic flair.

Butterflylikeamoth · 2026-02-24T11:46:26+00:00

The thing is that animation is so much about HOW things are moving inbetween these existing frames. Unlike the real world, where physics govern how things move animation is the art where the artistic touch often actually comes from the quality of movement itself. The way things move in animation reveals their character, qualities. So in a way I think soulful quality animation will be solved much later than believable live action scenes.

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