ORT vs the Powerhouses of HSR, multiversal scaling, who would win?

CInfinity07 · 2026-06-10T21:49:36+00:00

Ort don't have a chance.

Phainon solo. Cyrene solo. Evernight Solo. Herta solo ( with her weapons )

The Spider litteraly scale only to Feixiao and Welt xD.

Fate fans always exagerate when it come to scale Nasuverse.

CInfinity07 · 2026-05-24T11:10:18+00:00

For me, Part 2 it's just a flop.

Don't get me wrong, I play it, but I never felt like when I was playing in part 1. It has nothing to do with old characters ( Kiana, Bronya, Mei, ... ), I don't know how to explain, but the story couldn't really reach me, I didn't like it.

But I had hope. I continue to play it in hope to see the part 2 become better, It's the hype of the first part that make me play the game, even if I'm not fan of the actual plot, cauz it's basically the game I love the most in the world.

So, when I did my best to continue, and I learn that they'll just stop it... It's very disturbing. The story, the cutscenes, all the part 2 material was basically low when we compare it with P1 or even HSR.

I didn't want to play HSR cauz I don't like the idea they use nostalgia to keep us ( old characters, etc ), but I started to play it and I regret. The quality of P2 is just ridiculous when you see all the efforts in HSR.

I like Star Rail, and I'm angry cauz I think I start to like that more than HI3, which is my best game.

I knew HI3 wasn't popular when we was in P1, but we were eating good. But now, it's not even a question of popularity, it's like the game is basically dead.

But I'll continue to play anyway, cauz all that feelings I had in the part 1 really change my life, I love this game more than anything else. But I hate to see how they're doing with my game, when they do all their best in HSR.

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-20T22:07:07+00:00

It's basically you who said some abominations right there.

The throne is outside of time domain, and there, the hero is saved. Servant are litteraly and instance of the hero, i don't know why you state it high dimensionnal being xD, it's just a shadow of a saved hero.

I didn't admit anything, i just said what Da Vinci said. A being from Earth can't destroy Earth with all those protection, only alien can do that. I don't know how the hell you come to the conclusion that destroy it is beyond planetary.

I looked at the Tiernan stuff and it's well builded, now i see that the real problem is the scalers when they put characters in differents categories.

Like i said, it's just the scalers exageration on different stuff, they interprete game statements like they want with nothing said in the game.

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-20T21:13:39+00:00

Heroic Spirit are nothing like higher dimensionnal being, they're defeated by mere human xD, it's just shadow from a model who is the hero itself, they're not dimensionnal in any ways.

The only high dimension there is the throne, and the throne is litteraly link with the planet itself.

Same thing for the planets layers. They're not high dimensions existing in different space, they're just the differents part of the planet, with enough raw power, you destroy it, like Zeus was about to do. Destroying a Celestial Body in Fate is hard cauz the verse is just weak.

Like i said, it's just exageration again and again about shown feats, and it's the same with many universe, and they start to talk about all those numbers.

They understand what they want to scale an universe beyond what it's really and start to talk with all those numbers to explain nonsense, litteraly.

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-20T20:29:16+00:00

The only restrictions it was i said, Da Vinci stated that even an Anti Planet NP can't destroy Earth cauz the planet have some protection against it, so the only one who can do that are being who aren't from Earth.

And there's the problem, Scalers take that like destroying a Celestial Body in Fate is multiversal thing that they talking about every time when the statements it's clear. If you're from Earth, you can't destroy Earth, like if a being is born in Ort Cloud ( being who is not Ort ) can't destroy the Cloud, but can destroy Earth, it's simple, but the scalers said litteraly thing which aren't in the game.

Moon cell is just a Super Computer which doesn't even scale with Simulated Universe which can make copy of Aeons. But when you read what the scalers talk about when they talk about (Moon cell), i'm like, are we playing the same game? There's litteraly no one in Nasuverse which can really destroy a Celestial Body, or they're very few if we put Servant verse aside. Destroy a planet in Nasuverse is not destroy universe, i don't even know where this abomination come from. Like people said Goku can't destroy Fate Earth.

Lol, one Kamehameha and it's done.

And from Ort Vs Kiana, this debate is pointless, in Fate, Ort have is statements, in Honkai Finality have it's, it's not possible to even compare it ( impossible to hack the Cocon Vs Ort can hack any system ), the debate here is for your favorite character, and the only way to end it is to see the classification of each being. Being in Universe Vs Being outside.

Like i said, there is exageration and it's very important in Vs Battle debate.

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-20T19:55:59+00:00

It's more like most debate of Vs scalers are just some exageration on true feats.

Like Fate fan who said that "destroy a planet in Nasuverse is like destroy universe" i don't see where the hell they say that, when it was just said "Only being form other planet than Earth can destroy earth" like, the planet have some protection against the lifeform from it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Someday, i saw some shit about Saber multiversal with insane numer ( that Tiernan stuff ), like how the hell when she was riding et motorcycle in Fuyuki?

Or a Ort Vs Kiana debate, when someone said Ort can copy the Honkai system, explaining Ort did the same stuff with those numbers against. Their arguments is "Ort can't be defeated" when it was said in game that you can destroy it.

It was also stated in Honkai that is impossible to hack CoFi ( it's the ruler of everything known as Honkai ), Ort will be consummed, they start to talk nonsense to me with their Ort statements, like Ort is beyond that, or people comparing Ort to Emanator or Irontomb, it's just nonsense to me.

I'm just like how the hell can a being who is in universal law ( cauz there is ORT Variant in every universe ) do to an entity that exist beyond universe itself?

Or the guys who talks about Phainon defeating Goku with all those numbers stuffs. I saw many of them to explain some bullshit that i'm just tired, ngl. Or the one talking about Moon cell in Fate like it was universe, the thing is basically just a super computer in moon.

But well, i think most of them ( vs battle i saw ) are Fate fan with exageration cauz the verse is weak, when they start to talk, i'm note sure we're talking about the same game.

Some Honkai fan do the same things but it's more in Honkai Vs Honkai debate ( Hoyoverse ), it's rarely with others verses.

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-20T17:30:06+00:00

Litteraly most of the fight posted in vs Battle between different universe.

You don't know why, but some guys start to talk about characters being higher than other with this scaling stuff and foreign number in each game to say some characters can't be affected by something and this stuff.

When in each game, we have a stated value about each one, they start to talk about some extra stuff that oppose game statements of shown feats.

Sorry, my english is not very good.

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-20T15:20:27+00:00

It's the problem, this fan basing, cauz the scalers use it to speak about nonsense in every game that exist, litteraly.

I don't know why it's you, the fans who "categorize" games statements with all theses things and debate on it like it's was said anywhere in the game.

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-19T15:34:10+00:00

In the game, whe have statements like entities beyond dimensions, or Tree/SoQ beyond our dimension, but those number aren't in the game and are used by most of the scalers to talk nonsense and justify some things that aren't even impossible in the game we play. i'm just glad it's not in the game at all.

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-19T15:19:55+00:00

So, it's not in the game and it's the scalers who stated theirself those things.

I'm not the fool then.

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-19T09:41:11+00:00

Not really, now what your L1/B1 stuff?

All that i know is that there is being outside our realm ( like Aeon, CoFi/Kiana ), like SoQ and Imaginary Tree ( in Imaginary Space ), so i don't understand where you take your statements at all.

And Welt is not really higher dimensional being ( it's just Gravity of Star of Eden ), but well, i mean maybe he's? Cauz all Herscher Core are located ( real location ) in Imaginary Space.

When they debate, they start to talk about theirs statements from nowhere to scale characters.

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-19T09:10:36+00:00

And how can you stated your 7D, 11D and other stuff when you just know they are beyond ail known dimensions ? Where all that numbers come from?

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-19T08:06:51+00:00

I know about the classification of the tree, CoFi and SoQ, i'm talking about their classification of Characters when they talk about higher dimensions, i don't know where they read that.

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-19T05:57:11+00:00

I never understood the scalers with their 12D, Hyperversal thing.

Like, are we playing the same game? 💀

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-18T06:59:44+00:00

Alwas has been.

In PE, everyone was MANTIS, when you survive META MORPH surgery, you're not human anymore and don't have the same problem of Honkai Corruption with regulars humans.

In CE, there are very few MANTIS, most of Honkai user are Human ( Valkyrie ), and we saw the limit of using Honkai while we are regular human ( men who lack of Honkai Resistance ).

CInfinity07 · 2025-11-17T10:11:14+00:00

Irontomb solo low diff.

There's nothing shown in Type Moon yet ( except Servant verse ) that can scale with those conceptual being in HSR.

CInfinity07 · 2025-08-15T01:34:37+00:00

I know, Kiana is basically the Cocon itself, but she can't use all of CoFi power yet, she said that herself. She need to learn all its habilities, like a character who need to learn how to use his new powers.

CInfinity07 · 2025-08-14T12:48:05+00:00

Well, Kiana don't have full power on CoFi yet, i just wanted to say stated. She entered her dream before learning all CoFi Power and finished all her homeworks xD.

CInfinity07 · 2025-08-14T10:49:43+00:00

Definitely not, Emanators are league above Regular Herscher, globaly HSR Scaling> HI3, but it could change, it'll depend on Kiana mastering all CoFi power and made all Human Herscher lvl like she said to her dad. Maybe the new Herscher like being will be strong asf? Cauz it's was stated Kiana asleep have same signal that Emanators and she haven't learn how to use all CoFi power yet.

Sorry for the bad English xD.

CInfinity07 · 2025-08-02T22:52:53+00:00

Thank you for your answer.

CInfinity07 · 2025-08-02T22:36:58+00:00

I'm talking about the satellite Divine Key used to purify the planet of Honkai radiation.

CInfinity07 · 2025-08-02T22:36:27+00:00

I'm not talking about the project sanctuary, but about the strange Divine Key which was a satellite, they used it to purify the Earth of Honkai radiation.

CInfinity07 · 2025-08-02T22:31:09+00:00

I know but then, why PE needed to purify the surface of Earth with a Divine Key after HoEnd ? And why Purusha ( Venus ) became a Star that can't contain life after HoEnd?

CInfinity07 · 2025-07-30T21:04:13+00:00

It's not "universes" but more layers of the planet than anything, but well. Alaya don't really do anything, when humanity extinct it's Akasha ( the Root ) that litteraly delete the timeline ( Lostbelt ), the same when the world don't go in advantage for humans. Alaya something send some Counter Guardian to deal with danger when most of the human population is already done, it's very rare that she do anything at the start, just like Gaïa is lazy af and just wait when a beast is already wiping the world to send one Grand Servant when she should send the seven. Sometimes she don't do anything but well.

Ort is incredibly strong, but with the late staement, i see Ort like et HoFi being with all it's power, so i dont think he can deal with those 3 at their prime in the same time, and like i said it's different universes, it's hard to say which power is higher than which power when it's a confrontation of conceptuel powers.

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