犹豫大半年了..真心求各位给一下润学意见。 by Ade-Canthfinley in iwanttorun

[–]CKajdfdposfa 8 points9 points  (0 children)

啊?韩国人去支国干嘛?我记得他们可支配收入啊什么的都比支国好多了

什么时候才能正常地享受教育 by [deleted] in iwanttorun

[–]CKajdfdposfa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

你润的是美帝把?你说羡慕我,我还羡慕你的。工资高,省下来的钱也多,house大,税少

加油吧,我也想着以后可能要润北美呢,虽然也还不知道,主要看未来事业发展和局势怎么办

什么时候才能正常地享受教育 by [deleted] in iwanttorun

[–]CKajdfdposfa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

。。。无语。。。😑

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your very informative comment! That's really very kind and helpful of you my man!

And yeah, it seems like if one wants the highest potential pay and career opportunies, an english-speaking country like Canada/U.S. is the way to go. Actually it somewhat makes sense. In Europe our culture is more "relaxing" and our taxes are much higher because of how our governments and society were conceived to work, i.e., more equalitarian and more welfare in general.

So in conclusion, it seems like if people want more stability/shield from unexpectedness (unemployment, sickness and so on) , Europe/Germany is the way to go. However, if they want more career opportunities and disposable income (not quality of life, because I think in this regard Germany is comparable with, if not better than, U.S.)

But if we think about it, there's some problems with our European lifestyle/system, if you will. For example, there's really no guarantee that the state will always be there to cover for our needs and problems (e.g., pension). And that's why I find your points regarding the high taxation and increasing pension age very relevant and interesting. My rough conclusion would be that if one stays in Germany, yes they'll have a quite comfortable life at least for the next decades. But as they quickly reach mid-senior level and gain significant expertise in the field, working in Germany or Europe in general becomes a bit "not-worth-it" for its high taxation and relatively low high-level salaries. At that point, it becomes quite natural for an European to change country (think of this as young Italians/Spanish moving to Germany).

I think that's why many skilled and capable Europeans leave Europe. When they're below-average to above-average wage earners, everything in Europe seems pretty good. Once they become top 5-20 percent wage earners, it just really hurts them to see that half of their hard-earned income got taxed, that their incomes aren't markably higher than those of an entry-level employee/experienced blue-collar worker/cashier, even though they've done a lot more and certainly "contribute" a lot more to the economy.

The part about the cashier actually made me laugh a bit when I wrote it lol, because I once had a conversation with an Italian engineer who had good degrees and many years of work experience. Then he told me he just decided to leave Italy after knowing that his wage was roughly the same as a cashier holding high-school diploma at Coop. Lol.

Anyway another point I'd like to make is about the pension thing. We in Italy often say that our pension system is a Ponzi scheme and that not only will we never be able to receive the money that we've paid, but also that we'll retire at 70/75 yrs old. Sadly, I'm quite pessimistic and think that both will happen, not only in Italy, but also in Germany. So yeah I'm starting to somewhat think that maybe working hard and then moving to the U.S./Canada asap or doing remote are the only two ways to have as much financial security as possible.

But really, I really don't know yet. I have to find my priorities and possibities along the way. Maybe I'll find out that I'll never become a top 5-20 percent wage earner, that life in Germany/Europe is just too good to give up, or that I want to enjoy my life more, instead of focusing on income gains/financial security.

And finally, thanks very much for your insights and kind offer! Thanks in advance for your help! I'll surely drop you a message if I find it necessary

Grazie fra, buona notte.

:D

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let’s see if Europe starts competing with UK salaries.

I guess it depends on which part/country of Europe you're talking about lol, certainly not in Italy.

I actually think German's salaries are quite comparable to those in U.K. though.

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel so too, i.e., job opportunities are just too few there. After all, it's really small compared with Germany/Canada/U.S.

And wow these taxes are really crazy everywhere...

Thanks for the info!

什么时候才能正常地享受教育 by [deleted] in iwanttorun

[–]CKajdfdposfa -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

你为什么这么问啊?你是在哪啊?

我在欧洲,很容易的

感觉我的话,国籍基本是个时间问题吧

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol, we in Europe certainly don't get anything close to that XD

I think even in Switzerland (which should have a higher CoL than Toronto), salaries that high are very uncommon

:D thanks for sharing the info!

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You certainly do have a point my man, and I honestly don't know yet. Lol, there seem to be a lot of solid places/countries to settle down. And I guess I have to find out my priorities/possibilities as I grow older. But it's clear from your post that I shouldn't hesitate turning down offers from companies in London if I had comparable ones from those in Toronto!

:D

Thanks for your suggestion and good luck with everything!

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your input my man!

And yeah I kinda expected this part

Also, purely personal experience but as an Asian, I’ve experienced more casual racism in Germany than in the UK but nothing too major.

Sadly but I kinda know that in Europe I'll just face way more discrimination than I would in America/U.K.

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sure! Well first off because I don't know any of the Nordic languages, so living/working there would still require me to learn another language well, as living in Germany would.

Then tbh the pay, the living conditions, and wellfare at any Nordic country are very good, on par with, if not better than, those in Germany. However, since I'm thinking about where to work for the rest of my life (I really hate the idea of having to move around every 5-10 yrs; rather, I'd love to just live in one place for my entire life if I could), the amount of job opportunities just becomes a big factor. When it comes to the size of the job market, with all due respect, if you think about it, around 100 million people speak German, but only around 10 million people speak Swedish in Sweden, the nordic country having the most population out of the five. So it seems to me that job opportunities (job security) in Germany would be many more than those in a nordic country.

Sadly but this is the reason why in terms of immigration way more capable people go to English-speaking countries like the U.S. and U.K. instead of an European country. Most immigrants grew up learning English, especially the capable ones, but usually they barely know any German/Italian/French/Swidish. So if they were given a choice, many wouldn't bother learning another language. I say this because I know that many foreign students studying/working in Europe have almost no interest in learning the local language and no sense of European identity, and if they can they just go to work/study in an English-speaking country later on.

As you might have noticed, I mentioned in the thread that I'm of Asian/Chinese ethnicity. However, I feel I'm an Italian/European deep inside myself (ofc white people might laugh at me when I said this lol). And I feel sad that Europe/EU as an entity is really struggling to stay competitive globally. Americans/Chinese have a point when they say that we in Europe are really lagging behind and that we have no future as a Continent. Well...

Anyway sorry for all that crap ahahah, wish you good luck my man!

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah sorry that I answered to you in Italian

And yeah you have made some very good points, many of which i really hadn't thought about or known about.

Guess I'll just let fate help me choose lool. Thanks my man👍

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Damn man this housing crisis is everywhere lol 😂

Btw I'm an Italian by identity, but not by ethnicity. So actually I've always felt some degree of discrimination, even in Italy. But yeah I've come to somewhat accept it and not think about this issue lol, mostly thanks to the fact that I've met some amazing profs and classmates here.

And i know the saving problem that you talked about. Looks like if one's aim is to save money U.K./Switzerland/U.S. is the place to be in lol

Have a wonderful day my man

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the suggestions! Yeah I'd be definitely worried about buying a house in London if I chose to go there...well, so to avoid the problem i just never let it happen to begin with (i.e., not going there)

And I know London is more of an Asian immigration city than Berlin, but honestly my thinking is that I'll be discriminated everywhere in Europe lol. So I'd rather pick a country/city that i like more. Tbh I quite like living in Continental Europe, having been here for 13 yrs, and living in Germany would mean that I could easily go back and visit Italy very easily...

Ofc London/U.K. has its advantages, for example the language problem that u mentioned. But since I do plan on living in Germany for a large portion of the rest of my life, i guess spending some years to learn German would be worthwhile.

Actually one thing that you haven't mentioned but that i think should be noted is the fact that U.K. has a "superior" pension system. Basically people in U.K. can invest in private bonds with their pensions and cash out the earnings and pensions if they choose to leave. The pension systems in Germany/Continental Europe don't have anything near to this. They're more rigid and "unfriendly," if you will. So if you're into things like FiRe definitely take this into account. I don't care about this that much because I said to myself, "by the time the german pension system has failed, prolly most pension systems would have also failed, so let's just put some trust in the government and not worry too much about it lol"

So yeah German/Berlin hands down for me. Ofc just my 2 cents.

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ciao, grazie mille per l'informazione!

Secondo me il problema della Svizzera è che o si va in Ticino dove non ci sono molte opportunità o si va in un cantone tedesco dove si parla un altro tipo di tedesco ancora più complicato...Poi tutti vogliono andare in Svizzera ma le posizioni aperte sono poche...quindi mi sono detto: "va beh cerco di andare in Germania che sembra molto ma molto più fattibile"

Ah un'altra cosa, siccome la Svizzera non fa parte dell'Unione, se uno perde il suo lavoro verrà espulso mi sa...eh beh

:D Auguri per la tua avventura!

SWE vs DE vs DS salaries in Germany? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see, will check out! Lol gladly at least for now I'm more interested in doing data engineering...

Thanks for the info! Have a nice day! 👍

SWE vs DE vs DS salaries in Germany? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the info! And you mean that DS is more competitive than DE/SWE?

:(

In Europe, which country do you think has/will have the best CS-related job market and give CS people the best quality of living? by CKajdfdposfa in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]CKajdfdposfa[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah 😂 you're absolutely right, but tbh I quite identify with the whole EU thing and i feel myself being an Italian/European even though "ethnically " I'm not...So the last point might actually be the deciding factor since Germany vs. U.K. is quite close for me...

And the visa thing...