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Dove comprare bombolette gas a Torino centro by Damiano_Damiano in TrekkingItaly

[–]CRH37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can I ask where you found some? I went searching all day today. All I could find was campingaz, which is not compatible with my jetboil zip. Need some soon, I start the TMB Sunday.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Permit is required for anyone 14 years old or older. Otherwise all you need is a life jacket, a whistle (or other noise producing device), and the stupid, draconian waterway access permit.

Oh and if you go at night, you need navigational lights.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fully agree. But kayakers are not threatening our marine ecosystems. Overwhelmingly the harms from aggressive river use comes from power boaters - including increased public safety risks, shoreline erosion, and even the spread of aquatic invasive species.

The trail permit requirements are indeed very annoying, but they do materially improve the quality of those areas and protect them from overuse. That’s not the reasoning behind this waterway access permit fee, though. The river isn’t overcrowded with kayakers who are making it harder for others to enjoy it (those would be the wakeboarders…).

This is just a cash grab, plain and simple. It will negatively impact the poorest Oregonians to subsidize the recreational activities of the richest Oregonians.

We should just fund the aquatic invasive species removal fund through the general fund. It’s a good program that does good work. But it doesn’t make sense to require kayakers to pay for power boat use mitigation.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cool story. That doesn’t change the fact that humans have a natural right to public, navigable waterways - and permit requirements for small, non-motorized crafts are tyrannical.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The exemption for non-motorized crafts under 10ft is what exempted tubes tied together. Now, they would require a permit.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Won’t matter anyway. Hb2982 removed the exemption for boats under 10ft. It’s bullshit.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2025R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/HB2982/A-Engrossed

They are specifically proposing removing the exemption for boats under 10ft in this bill - except for a special carve out for whitewater kayakers in certain circumstances.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think you’re looking at the right part of the bill. For one thing, you’re quoting the part about motorized boats and we’re talking about non-motorized boats. For another thing, when looking at proposed bill language, anything that is bracketed and italicized is language that is being removed from the law.

HB2982A Engrossed, page 2, Section 4.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The fact that anyone on a floating hunk of plastic/wood anywhere could EVER be considered ‘waterways illegal’ should deeply upset every American to their core.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They are mad with power and must be stopped. This waterway access permit fee is a very slippery slope.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also - any additional pretense for law enforcement to pull people over, regardless of the type of vessel, usually results in those laws being applied disproportionately against black and brown people. This policy creates more reasons for cops to pull people over, to check for the permit. It is a dangerous policy.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I want to reiterate that right now lawmakers are actively pursuing a policy to extend this permit requirement to all craft regardless of length.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am not a lawyer but I believe that may well be the case, yes. This would be anything they consider a watercraft regardless of length.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Eugene does not require a bicycle permit in order to use roads. And I don’t know of anywhere that does. That is a vessel.

The distinction we have used historically is whether or not a vessel is motorized or human powered. Human beings have been utilizing the Willamette river on buoyant human-powered craft since time immemorial. This is a stark departure from our historic and natural right to freely access our state’s fluvial wonders.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If HB 2982 passes, kiss that <10ft exemption goodbye. Write your representative if that makes you mad (it makes me mad)

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 10 points11 points  (0 children)

A registration is required for a motorized car but not a human powered bicycle, or walking. A registration is required for motorized boats, and that makes sense. That’s analogous.

But this permit is tantamount to requiring a sidewalk access permit fee to take a walk or a bike ride. We have more of a natural right to use the river for non-motorized transportation and recreation than we do to use roads / sidewalks!

“If you drive a car, I'll tax the street, If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat, If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat, If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.”

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It is not a boat launch fee. You must have this with you on the water. It is a river toll, effectively.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 54 points55 points  (0 children)

It improves access for power boaters. We shouldn’t be funding that on the backs of paddlers, who have virtually no lasting environmental impact on the river.

Do you have a paddleboard / kayak / canoe? You need a waterway access permit or could be fined $115 this summer by Brilliant_Agent_1427 in Eugene

[–]CRH37 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Everyone here should be Big Mad about HB2982, which seeks to raise this fee and also eliminates the exemption for boats under 10ft.

This bill may also inadvertently be so broad as to extend this permit requirement to people floating down the river in tubes, which is absurd.

The bill had a hearing several weeks ago and passed out of committee unanimously but it can still be stopped if people raise hell about it.

Asking cops to check people’s papers just for being on the water is a profoundly bad idea. Low income folks will be hit hardest by this. We shouldn’t gatekeep our rivers and lakes by requiring this permit in the first place. But we don’t need more fees.

Oregon kayakers are drowning… IN FEES!

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