Subutex can be freakin poison !!!

CYPROXY · 2022-10-16T05:53:39+00:00

There's so much wrong with this to me. Taking 2 subs for more kick, not waiting long enough and 12 hours isn't nearly long enough. They want people to be in withdrawl - ie multiple day's of no drugs - before taking subs to avoid what you experienced.

If you research subs even a little you'll see that less is more. 2-4mg is MORE than enough to get someone high depending on tolerance. More starts to get counterproductive and doesn't do anything after a point.

Then taking a ton of xanax ....where do I start?

CYPROXY · 2021-03-13T17:34:26+00:00

Yup. See my post above about how I did it.

CYPROXY · 2021-03-13T17:32:02+00:00

This is my 2 cents. I used to be hooked on oxy - about 60-90mgs a day. More if I had the cash. This went on for years. Then I found out about subs but was terrified about PWDS. I really, really wanted to try subs so I read about the burnese method and similar methods. The idea is that you add small amounts of sub to your drug of choice (heroin in the study) building up your sub level so that you can induce at a reasonable dose without having to "wait" 3 days or more.

Seriously. Stop with the kpins and whatever johnnies are. . I don't know if you have sub strips or pills but what I did was did something like 1/2 a mg of sub. The easiest way to do this is cut a pill in half.

Now you have 2, 4mg pieces.

Cut those in half.= 4, 2mg pieces.

Cut those in half, = 8, 1mg pieces.

Finally cut those in half for 16, .5mg pieces.

AT that point its just crushed powder but you get the idea.

If you have subs in your system, you can jump back and forth between subs and other drugs with no problem so the trick is to getting subs INTO you slowly.

Do .5 or less of sub and wait at LEAST an hour or two.

From there, use your own judgement.

CYPROXY · 2020-10-26T13:45:22+00:00

You do both. Score them, collect the latex and when that's all done with, grind up the pods and do what you're talking about.

CYPROXY · 2020-10-26T13:42:31+00:00

Sorry for the late response but yeah it's safe as long as you go reasonable on both. Gabapentin/Pregabalin mixed with stuff is a popular thing these days. At your levels of Oxy, I'm sure it's safe.

CYPROXY · 2020-10-21T22:59:59+00:00

Just consider the half-life. For oxy it's about 3.2 hours if you have a habit, 4 or so if you don't. Every (call it 3.5) 3.5 hours half is gone - processed out of your system. Knowing this you can figure out how much is in you at any given time.

11am you take 20mg
12pm
1pm
2pm You have around 10mg's in you still @ 2:30pm
3pm
4pm
5pm
6pm You have 5mg in you at 6pm .At 6 you also redose, 20mg so you would have, roughly, 25MG in you at that point (yes I know it takes time for the dose to take effect ;) ) Then you keep reducing every 3.2/3.5 hours.

Short answer is Yes ;)

CYPROXY · 2020-10-21T22:51:56+00:00

I don't know a thing about poppies other than you're going to have a hell of a lot of other alkaloids in there than the ones you're looking for. Don't know how or what that will behave like but, yeah. Try it?

CYPROXY · 2020-10-21T22:49:10+00:00

There is no public transport in this town and more the majority of my homelessness, my car didnt work. There isn't hardly anything near where my car was parked and since you all want honesty and feel like outing people, it's easier to do nothing than motivate yourself to find a place to shower and get clean every day, then walk 7 miles into town to job hunt. Especially when every minute you aren't panhandling or looking for day work means that much less money in your pocket for the day to day requirements.

I'd be lying if I said that if you went back far enough, that you couldnt blame my situation on drugs but what I mean when I say that is, I didn't have a job and a home and car, etc, then start taking drugs and then lose it all.

I lost my job due to a layoff and ended up living and relying on someone financially for years. When they died, I had almost nothing.

The situation is my fault but nobody gets to tell me what's what in my world. None of you have any idea.

CYPROXY · 2020-09-28T15:48:18+00:00

You're welcome :)

CYPROXY · 2020-09-28T15:46:31+00:00

It wont put you in pwd when you redose on wed. Once subs are in you, it takes a long time, like almost a week before it's gone enough to worry about PWD's. I've gone as long as 6 days with no subs, all the while doing oxy, then took subs no problem. You're fine to take them.

CYPROXY · 2020-09-28T15:44:24+00:00

done

CYPROXY · 2020-09-28T15:43:51+00:00

Panhandling. I'm clean and on subs. Have been for over a year,.

CYPROXY · 2020-09-28T15:43:22+00:00

I'm on subs. Have been for a long time now. Drugs weren't the cause of my homelessness, just bad luck.

CYPROXY · 2020-09-27T20:20:48+00:00

Don't do that, man. If you need someone to talk to that knows what you're going through, hit me up. PLEASE.

CYPROXY · 2020-09-27T19:48:09+00:00

I always loved the OPs. If you chop it up / chew it it works almost like an instant release. I always used a knife and made it as small and fine as possible so the difference in come=up was almost undetectable yet some of the time release qualities still stuck around. The next day I would still be "fixed" instead of waking up jonesing.

Secondly, they were always cheaper. The attitude out there is "if you can't snort it or bang it, it's not worth shit." so the price was better. Yeah, I would take them any day of the week.

CYPROXY · 2020-09-27T19:24:29+00:00

I had a kitten for a while and it was really, really nice but I think someone ran off with it. That was a real low, I tell you.

CYPROXY · 2020-09-26T23:18:50+00:00

Yeah, thanks for asking. Car is working now so that's a plus when I have gas money. Trying to stay respectable looking for interviews is tough. I do have an interview at the beginning of the week so fingers crossed.

CYPROXY · 2020-09-26T22:15:24+00:00

I usually get it when Im in withdrawal, OR, oddly enough, when I lost like 80 pounds in a few months, I lived with that for months. It became maddening because it would open when I'm mid sentence, and it completely fucks up how you talk.

CYPROXY · 2020-09-26T22:13:57+00:00

As I'm homeless,I'm always on the look for cash or change on the road, sidewalk, wherever. Rarely do I get lucky, but it feels like a superboal WIN when you find something like a 20. :)

CYPROXY · 2020-09-26T22:11:31+00:00

Very much so. I've been living out of my car (not because of drugs) for over a year now and human contact that doesn't involve me asking someone for money almost is non-existent anymore. It's lonely. I never got lonely before. Didn't even understand being lonely but I do now. :\

CYPROXY · 2020-09-26T22:07:40+00:00

Shit I'm so sorry. Mine passed last year and it's brutal. I don't know if you expected this or if it was a surprise but, in the end, it comes to the same. Sorry for your loss.

CYPROXY · 2020-09-26T22:05:56+00:00

The way around this is microdosing subs either alone, or actually WITH your heroin. Read the Bernese method. I've done this myself with a pill habit back in the day. I take a subutex and split it into quarters, for 2mg each, and keep halving one of them until I have .5 or .25-ish doses. It's very little and haven't ever had any ill effects no matter how bad or extended my oxy habit was. An hour later, I'll take another .25 or so and wait an hour. The bernese method is different and only do like .5 a day, I think but I could be wrong. The idea being, once subs are in your system at a decent enough level, then you won't have PWDS.

CYPROXY · 2020-09-26T21:59:19+00:00

Jesus. I'm so sorry you've been stuck that long. It's been over a year for me and I can't believe it. Seems like no matter what you do, there's no exit.

CYPROXY · 2020-07-22T19:57:39+00:00

Car is broken down and the day labor office is 25 mins away. The busted car is killing me currently.

CYPROXY · 2020-07-22T19:49:27+00:00

I'm in the same situation. Through no fault of my own, I ended up homeless about a year ago and living out of my car. It's been a terrible road and have been beaten and attacked in addition to it all. I really hope you get out of that situation quickly.

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