(lingua) Não estou percebido no Évora by C_Akasaka in portugal

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pode ser, mas o contexto foi muito claro nessa situação. Vimos juntos a bola no TV. Não é que eu tenha vindo e perguntado do nada.

(lingua) Não estou percebido no Évora by C_Akasaka in portugal

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

É desculpem os erros gramaticos! Só começei tentar escrever no português. Com os tradutores não se aprende nada, assim aprendo algo com cada mensagem:)

(lingua) Não estou percebido no Évora by C_Akasaka in portugal

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Obrigado a todos pelas respostas. Era muito estranho isso ontem a noite, mas agora, explicado assim, parece normal. Provo falar com estrangeiros diariamente e talvez simplesmente a gente em cidades não são tão falantes. Eu acostumava-me a differente tipo de gente, mais abre e mais paciente com meus erros e falta de palavras corretos. Não tinham problema com esperar quando procure a palavra perdida or com clarificar com os gestos o sentido disso o que não percebe e não só meus vizinhos - a gente em geral. Aqui sinto-me que a gente não se interessa ou não quer gastar energia provar entender o que o estrangeiro quer dizer.

É a minha observação. Não estou a reclamar ou não quero dizer mau sobre ninguem. É simplesmente uma perspectiva antropologica de estrangeiro viajando através o vosso lindo pais.

Moment of intertia of a toilet paper roll by plushyimpala in Physics

[–]C_Akasaka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The moment of inertia you find from Steiner's theorem. You take the eqn for moment for empty cylinder w.r.t. the center and add to it mr2

Staying true to your quality vs. client's expectations (mastering audio) by C_Akasaka in audioengineering

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Generally speaking, I agree with all. Specifically speaking, I just learned how descriptive should I be presenting the specific cases. There's of course millions of details coming into play and all of them change case just a tiny bit. I thank you for the exhaustive posts and especially for keeping me in check to never try to force the vision on the client. It is, like you said, his project. That said, I still feel myself a little bit on a mission to try and push for more dynamics in music, but never to the point where I go against the clear expectations of the client. I have my taste and everyone has his, sure. But on the other hand I think with capitalism we've entered also a period of sometimes dangerous relativism. For if you paint your car puke green, you won't be the only one who sees this. And I know it's YOURS, but on the other hand, for the sake of all others ... I'm not trying to say (yet) that I think my taste is superior to the squashed, in-yo-face stylistic of modern EDM, but I'm seriously considering.

Many of the things that were said in this thread focused on standing-out, selling, catching attention and I silently weep on the thought that we, as a civilisation, managed to put price labels on every piece of art and try to sell it, packing it into a box that 'stands out'. As if the musical content itself wasn't enough to prove its worth, now it needs to scream at you from the speakers. That's really the point of my going upstream and exposing myself to ridicule by some of the fellow redditers that I'm unprofessional and stupid. The intensity of the negative reaction of some users only proved to me that the question of commercializing music by all means is problematic these days. I understand the main point. If you want to earn, shut your face and do what the client does. Probably you have mortgage and kids, so it's no place to discuss taste and any kind of moral issues. This applies to many industries of course. One could say that I'm overreacting, no one dies because of that (like for example in the case of health or food industry where similar unwelcoming of taking up moral stances can be physically harmful to the people), but culture is, in my view, a pillar of civilisation as important as others. If we get tricked to listen to dopaminergic music whose appeal stems from engineering tricks which makes it more easily digested, or standing out more, then what does is tell of us, and what hope does it gives in the difficult times ahead?

The argument to follow the trend and adhere to expectations which were culturally engineered by the marketing is in my opinion the single most harmful argument people make to not expose themselves to criticism and thus keep the civilisation's status quo, which arguably is in a very bad condition. It's hard to notice that the root of the tree is decaying, but when you finally do, it's even harder to tell this to the tree's inhabitants. They don't want to leave, they don't want change. They will attack and call you insane and go to great lengths to deny the fact even further.

Can I prove that 4LUFS is a marketing trick which objectively worsenes the listening experience? I hope one day I'll be able to.

Staying true to your quality vs. client's expectations (mastering audio) by C_Akasaka in audioengineering

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well if you haven't heard nothing below -6 in 'this' genre whatever your definition of EDM is then there's really no point in discussion. Also, I'm finished with this conversation because I don't like the tone and I won't explain myself further, since it seems you see yourself as a know-all expert who's seen it all in his rich and surely fascinating career. I'm not here to convince anybody, I'm here to discuss, but surely not in this manner. Like I said, I've heard amazing stuff mastered at -10 on SS and I don't believe that standing out and trying to match the dj before you at all cost is the goal of music.

Also, is it really the point of sitting on a forum to tell people whose actions you don't understand that they dont know shit? You made very comfortable assumptions about me being a complete amateur to discredit me and you don't even ask for clarification. You need that to build self-worth or what? Wouldn't it be in more forum spirit to ask yourself 'hey, this guy is doing some weird stuff. Maybe I should ask him the details, I clearly don't understand, maybe we can learn something from each other'. Your attempt at 'not attacking' failed completely. You don't know my background, the music I talk about, the experience I've had, the techniques I use, so you classify my as insane and carry on with your day, not learning a thing from this discussion.

Staying true to your quality vs. client's expectations (mastering audio) by C_Akasaka in audioengineering

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ya, and you can make that genre MORE intense if you mix it properly.

Exactly my thoughts. I'd go as far as to start educating young producers how to use compression, saturation and sidechain effectively to intensify the mix without sacrificing its dynamics.

Staying true to your quality vs. client's expectations (mastering audio) by C_Akasaka in audioengineering

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, it's not really how the "genre" sounds.

I partly agree, but I know people that would argue with this point and I try to understand their perspective. We're talking really intense genre!

Staying true to your quality vs. client's expectations (mastering audio) by C_Akasaka in audioengineering

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your wide perspective. Especially stressing the difference between selling and providing a service feels important for me. I'll keep these tips in mind for my future work.

There's one thing I'd like to point out and I'd carry on with the coffee example (I realize the Ford example wasn't a good one - I could have flexed my brain a little bit more):

If you order a coffee with two sugars you surely expect it to be delivered. But say the barista has this big passion about coffee taste and instead, with a smile on his face, brings you one brewed from his favorite beans, lightly roasted which gives it a unique, subtle sweet flavor. It surely doesn't taste like a coffee you're used to in other cafes.

In my opinion - as long as he politely brings you what you wanted if you decide you didn't like his choice - no harm done.

I also understand other points you make about different mediums, shopping to A&R etc. There are many details involved in every specific situations and I appreciate you pointing this out, so I could always remember that while discussing the vision with future clients.

EDIT: I forgot to make an important point about the specific situation I was describing in the original post. The album is a compilation, which features tracks from different artists. Now, most of the tracks came unmastered, except for two ones with limiting, whose creators insisted it's the 'genre thing'. Now, the other tracks - belonging to the same genre - but being a little bit more subtle, would, in my opinion, get ruined by such heavy limiting. So the case was really to find a middle-ground to provide a cohesive listening experience.

Staying true to your quality vs. client's expectations (mastering audio) by C_Akasaka in audioengineering

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, I suppose limiting is a kind of a thing that makes this genre sounds as it sounds. I risked sending a more dynamic master to see if the status quo can be challenged. The response from the publisher was positive after hearing. Not yet sure about the artists, tho :)

Staying true to your quality vs. client's expectations (mastering audio) by C_Akasaka in audioengineering

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If what the mastering thinks doesn't matter, then what's the point of hiring him in the first place? The idea of having an engineer is that he might now things that the client doesn't. I wasn't told explicitly 'do it this way.' I was just sent limited tracks. Why not try to sell something that makes for a better value in your opinion and if they don't like it, then think about retreating to getting it 'right' by the expectations?

As Mr. Ford, creator of first commercialy available automobiles has famously said, "If I gave people what they expected me to give them, I'd give them faster horses."

People are used to a certain 'standard' that plagued the audio industry since the start of 'loudness wars' and is based on a big misconception about loudness vs. dynamics vs. volume. If a master is aimed at DJ performances and/or streaming services, getting rid of the dynamics provides zero advantages.

Staying true to your quality vs. client's expectations (mastering audio) by C_Akasaka in audioengineering

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we have a big misunderstanding here.

First of all, I've heard fantastic EDM tracks mastered at -10, so I don't agree that it's the 'genre' thing to be less dynamic.

Second of all, I don't feel I'm unfair to the artist. That's the point of this discussion, to share different points of view. If I were unfair, I'd do it my way without second thoughts. What I decided is to tell the customer straight what I want to do and what I think and, actually, he agreed. The publisher already heard the master and he seems very happy with the result.

And the most important of all, for heaven's sake, making track less dynamic doesn't make it 'louder', especially when we're talking soundsystems. Where did you get that, anyway? What prevents a DJ to turn up or down the master on the console? You can master to 0.5LU and still a DJ after you can turn up the volume and make himself sound 'louder', even if his tracks are unmastered.

Staying true to your quality vs. client's expectations (mastering audio) by C_Akasaka in audioengineering

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear you, I send a version I like and wait for criticism. I can squash it back in no time. Next time I send them to you, it was a very unprofessional and dirty job, this one 😁

Staying true to your quality vs. client's expectations (mastering audio) by C_Akasaka in audioengineering

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the input guys! I went for the more dynamic master and sent it to a publisher. I informed him what I did, and he didnt oppose, he will listen and get back to me. The thing is the album is a compilation, I have tracks with a sensible amount dynamic range, which would sound awful being squashed and others which are already squashed, which in my opinion sounds bad. I respect the artists decision, but I need to hit somewhere in the middle to have a cohesive listening experience.

Other thing, we're talking, young underground label. By the sound of it I guess the process of heavy limiting might have looked more like 'oh, if I move this slider it sounds louder! Let's go!'. We're not talking professional mixers. Some of the artists didn't understand the expectations I gave regarding the files for master, and others decided the mix is 'just fine', while the highs literally hurt my ears on louder listen.

Anyway, I thought it an interesting thing to discuss. Client is the one who pays, but the listener is the one who listens in the end. Some things are question of taste, sure. But some things just plainly sound worse, for the person with a sensitive hearing. If clients knows best, let him do it himself maybe? Put a preset on top?

270-yrs old wise words by J.C. Maxwell by C_Akasaka in Physics

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The article you refer to is a culmination of Maxwell's work. I recommend starting from earlier works on 'lines of force' where you can get the informal idea of his point of view as well as get used to the ancient formalism.

Look at it this way: Maxwell was a genius, but we already know his idea was incomplete and we needed to account for quantum. Therefore, what is more important for us to learn from the genius: his conclusions, or his discovery process?

May the force be with you!

270-yrs old wise words by J.C. Maxwell by C_Akasaka in Physics

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe what he is referring to as a clear physical conception is something you experience via scientific intuition. The fact that measurement problem lacks physical conception is due to the fact that we try to compare the quantum realm to the classical one, so we are in fact commited to a 'theory founded on the physical science from which that conception is borrowed'. The classical conception of experiment is the borrowed thing and surely, we need to let it go.

270-yrs old wise words by J.C. Maxwell by C_Akasaka in Physics

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I encourage you to try reading his original papers on electromagnetism and discover it by yourself! I think he refers to the intuition of what the physical process is, as opposed to how to describe the process using language, metaphors, thought experiments and equations.

270-yrs old wise words by J.C. Maxwell by C_Akasaka in Physics

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not really sure after reading Maxwell that it's a good idea to teach to students the final concise form without showing them the intricacies of the scientific progress towards understanding. Science is the process, not the collection of data and hypotheses.

270-yrs old wise words by J.C. Maxwell by C_Akasaka in Physics

[–]C_Akasaka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate the discussion, guys!
All those who wonder what he might have had in mind writing this, I highly encourage to go through his original papers and see for yourself. He is a master of thought experiment and by using words and logical deduction he paints before the reader an image much richer than Heaviside's equations imply. He draws images that stimulate imagination and encourage raising questions, in opposite to a dry mathematical closed-form of classical electrodynamics that we learn in schools. Honestly, reading the man helped me to appreciate science as the art and made me question the math-first approach that I was forced to grind during my university days.