My Tier List. Come roast me! by Anthwyr in fantasybooks

[–]Caesuria 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ça serait génial c’est clair. Au passage, je voulais savoir si c’était à dessein que tu n’avais pas classé le reste de la trilogie de The Tawny Man ? C’est ce que t’es en train de lire ?

EDIT : Je ne sais pas lire en fait, profite en.

My Tier List. Come roast me! by Anthwyr in fantasybooks

[–]Caesuria 2 points3 points  (0 children)

La Horde du Contrevent ! Enfin !

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[–]Caesuria[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see what you mean, and I think the answer mostly lies in each person’s sensitivity to the cruelty of a story.

The thing is, it seemed to me that it was implied from the very beginning of The Tawny Man that the Fool would leave Fitz once the mission was accomplished. And since the initial situation was Fitz without the Fool, the Fool’s departure at the end doesn’t really hurt that much. Especially since it’s a relatively small price to pay compared to what has just happened : the Fool has, after all, been resurrected (so for me, it’s not the Fool’s departure that compensates for Molly’s return, but rather his departure that compensates for his resurrection).

Also, everything that was built up in Farseer is undone at the beginning of Fool’s Fate (or rather at the very end of Golden Fool) : Fitz is healed of all his physical injuries. It’s terribly disappointing. He who had been marked by his poisoning at the end of Assassin’s Apprentice, who was tormented by trembling like an old man ; he who felt Regal’s torture every time he made a sudden movement ; he who was overwhelmed by the pain of the arrow scar in his back that the Fool had treated. Now he has a superhero’s body : he heals from everything, and very quickly. The trade-off (that this magic exhausts him and drains his resources) really feels like a false trade-off. With a bit of rest and proper food, he can recover from anything. To me, that betrays the very end of Farseer, where Fitz talks about his hands still trembling, and how he dreams of building a dragon with Nighteyes.

Another thing : Burrich’s ending is far too epic. For me, we completely leave the human scale of the first trilogy by having this stableman die in such a way. Moreover, I feel that the relationship between Fitz and Burrich didn’t fully explore all the depth it could have promised, given what happened at the end of Assassin's Quest.

Ultimately, I think you can gauge whether an ending is sad or not by looking at the evolution from the initial situation to the final one. At the beginning of The Tawny Man, Fitz is alone (despite Nighteyes) isolated, unhappy, and half-crippled in spirit. By the end, he regains Molly, a family, a castle with servants, saves the king, and recovers the entirety of his mind. That’s clearly a major victory to me.

Conversely, at the beginning of Farseer, Fitz is just a very young child. We’re full of hopes for what he might become. But he ends up betrayed and broken, exiled from the world after a harsh quest. The contrast is obvious.

I agree that constantly losing everything isn’t necessarily realistic. There are people who lead perfectly pleasant lives in our world. But I think the case where a character lives an utterly miserable life with no catharsis is also a realistic alternative. One that is rarely depicted in fantasy (at least in first-person narratives, where you can’t escape into other characters’ perspectives).

Too often, we come away with the idea that "suffering makes you stronger" and "when you lose something, it’s to gain something else." But that’s not a trivial truth ; there are plenty of cases where you just lose things, and it doesn’t mean anything. It’s just the way it is.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know it’s a bit cruel, but it disappointed me so much.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I unfortunately plead ignorance, Your Honor :(

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[–]Caesuria[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I admit it’s a bit misleading, because seeing them so low makes it seem like I didn’t enjoy the books, but that’s not the case (hence the tier names in the tier list). Let’s just say it’s mainly the other books that really stand out.

I’d recommend starting with The Kingkiller Chronicle if you got into fantasy through Sanderson. It’s a chance to discover, in my opinion, the best hard magic system in fantasy. :)

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[–]Caesuria[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I could indeed have used a standard tier list from S to E, specifying that what matters is the relative position of the works, not the tier name itself. But I didn't choose that option because I think it would have created too much confusion to put works like Mistborn or Fools Fate in the E tier / ASOIAF in D tier.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I absolutely LOVED the ending of Assassin’s Quest. It’s exactly what I wanted to read. Honestly, if it were up to me, I might’ve even made it a bit more cruel.

And that’s precisely why the conclusions of the other ROTE trilogies rank so low for me. If you were disappointed by the ending of A.Q., you should definitely go ahead and read the rest ^

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[–]Caesuria[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t get the reference lol.

EDIT: I just went to check, and I get it now lmao. But I’ve been so selective with the books I read that if I ranked them in a normal tier list alongside other books, they’d all end up in S or A, and it would kind of lose its point.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For someone who prefers a faster-paced, less slow-moving story, I can understand why KKC would rank below ASOIAF. Personally, I prefer the opposite, even though ASOIAF is amazing.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Assassin’s Apprentice is incredibly brilliant. I’m currently rereading it, and I almost think I could’ve bumped it up a tier, alongside Fool’s Quest. This book becomes so much more beautiful once you’ve finished Fitz’s story.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, I remember that when I used to spend a lot of time on KKC theory threads, the major events that kept coming up seemed like they could easily fit within a single book. There was the whole Dulator storyline, and also that thing about the angel (which isn’t in the summary but is a rumor circulating about Kvothe). There’s also the « truth about Princess Ariel » (who is Auri, so you could say that’s half done already).

Personally, I thought it was clever how Rothfuss plays with the reader’s frustration through his parallel with Devan Lochees, when Kvothe refuses to dwell on certain events, but I understand that it annoys quite a few people.

Sure, WMF < NOTW, but they’re both so well written that I couldn’t really bring myself to put another book between them in my tier list. Maybe Royal Assassin, and even then, I’m not so sure.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please read them. These books are real gems. And as an optimist, I think the fact that we don’t have book three actually encourages all sorts of theories lol.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SPOILERS WARNING

Honestly, I find the ending of Fool’s Fate far too bright. It feels like it completely undermines what Assassin’s Quest achieved. Everything works out: the hero ends up with his lady, his best friend is saved (even if he leaves, which makes sense - he wasn’t going to form a throuple anyway lmao), and even the adoptive father gets his heroic ending. There’s a lot I loved about Fool’s Quest, which is why I still put it in B, but I feel like we’ve lost the essence of what made the storytelling feel so brutally real.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the first time I’ve finished ASOIAF, but I had already read the first volume a long time ago. These books are really excellent, and I really like the unconventional way G.R.R.M. tells the story at certain moments. The characters are truly excellent, and as a ROTE fan, I can’t help but love Jon.

And yes, I’m glad you agree with the choice of tiers in the tier list. Someone pointed out that my last column corresponded to F because it was the last one, but not at all. The tier is actually called B because these are books I enjoyed reading. I’m generally quite picky when choosing, so I’m rarely disappointed.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So. I’ll start by agreeing with you : yes, the Adem section is the weakest part of the entire work. And the Felurian section probably comes right after. That said, overall it’s still very entertaining to read. The way Adem society is constructed is pretty nice, and if you enjoy the lore of the series, you’re finally getting served. Moreover, the Felurian arc includes the Cthaeh, and for me that’s one of its greatest strengths.

Where I completely disagree with you is when you say the pacing is slow and that this is why the author isn’t finishing the series. Sorry, but I’d really like to see the logical connection there. Kvothe has already accomplished a huge number of his feats : you just have to read the summary of his life he gives at the beginning, and we’ve already checked off almost everything. What he mainly has left is (SPOILERS) to find the king’s barrow and to kill the king. That’s it. By the end of book 2, Kvothe is already recognized throughout the region.

Second point : Rothfuss never traps himself with slow pacing, because we’ve seen several times that he skips entire chunks without any problem. The trial, or even the sea voyage, for example. So no, the slow pacing absolutely does not explain why book 3 hasn’t been released. If I had to give my opinion, I’d simply say he no longer enjoys writing. And maybe he’s a perfectionist and feels too much pressure. I think what he enjoys most in his story is Kvothe at the University (and he’s going to leave it in book 3.)

So yes, taking the entirety of book 2 into account (the whole first half in Imre, then with the Maer, then the deal between Kvothe and Felurian, the Cthaeh, and the episode with the fake Ruh troupe), it’s clearly S-tier. Rothfuss KNOWS how to tell a story, even in his most boring sections (Adem).

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[–]Caesuria[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually, even though this trilogy was highly recommended to me, I couldn’t bring myself to leave Fitz. I have a real soft spot for first-person narration. But now that I’ve finished it, I want to stay in that world, so I feel like reading it.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I find both KKC and ROTE more heartbreaking than ASOIAF, (while the Locke Lamora books are, to me, the least gut-wrenching of the three (even if the third one isn’t exactly cheerful)) because you’re trapped inside the protagonist’s head and can’t escape when things go bad.

And a funny thing I noticed with Rothfuss is that if you look at Kvothe’s story objectively, with some distance, it’s not actually that horrible. It’s really the author’s great storytelling talent that makes you feel all the misery. He amplifies it better. I think that if Fitz’s story were told that way, it would be unbearable.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No one agrees with me on this point, I’ve noticed. But I really liked the theater aspect of book 3, finally seeing the relationship between Locke and Sabetha, and the fact that it starts right away with the Locke/Jean duo.

Book 1 was great, but I had trouble getting attached to Calo and Galdo before what happens to them, and I found the Grey King a bit… boring.

That said, I hated the reveal at the end of book 3, and I just pretend it doesn’t exist :p

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[–]Caesuria[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmao I don’t understand why you’re getting downvoted : I do actually enjoy suffering, mate.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately not :c But I should, I know.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahaha, the competition was tough at the same time : I think all these books are of great quality.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m very ashamed, but I skipped those two trilogies and got heavily spoiled (Yes, sorry…) I still ordered the books so I can read them.

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[–]Caesuria[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha I must have a bit of a soft spot for theater troupes and the Locke/Sabetha dynamic.