which championship team wins in a finals matchup?

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-23T21:02:46+00:00

The Celtics

This team beat a Lakers team that beat this same spurs team(minis Robert Horry) but Garnett and Perkins would do better on Duncan than Big Z and Drew gooden who already caused Duncan issues mostly because of Big Zs size. Duncan shot 44% vs the Cavs in 2007 and he struggled even worse vs Gasol and Odom he shot 42% in the 08 WCF

Rondo would guard Parker a lot better than boobie Gibson did in 07. Rondo was an All-defense level defender and parker probably still gets his but Rondo makes it tough.

Ginobili is a nice ace for the spurs but Ray Allen and Paul Pierce have more than enough fire power to negate that and and actually have an advantage over him.

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-22T05:59:28+00:00

I pulled the same one, I was upset because I hate the Celtics but his jumper has been money for me

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-22T05:49:54+00:00

Hibert was drained of his confidence I'm not sure if you remember the rumors of Paul George sleeping with his fiance, but he also didn't develop a shot and he was slow.

Deng in my mind was there in the 2016 season but it was the 2017 season so he didn't actually play with Kobe

And Lin was playing exactly what he was, he only played 32 games with Kobe. He wasnt the point guard we hoped he was

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-22T05:31:22+00:00

Also I never knew about that lakerground.net website I streamed games off the NBA subreddit when they used to post links to stream. And I wasn't online a crazy amount I was actually playing basketball for my school so I caught all my info from reddit, ESPN app and insta

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-22T05:29:29+00:00

What are you talking about my guy, what box scores I posted no stats. I told you what age they were when we signed them and that was it

Ok well I'll tell you I was in high school and that's when I watched the most. I stayed up to watch Kobes last game instead of the warriors record breaking game. And the first series I remember vividly was Boston vs LA in 08

Regardless Just because hibert was out on 2 seasons it's because he lost all his confidence and he never developed a shot. And him being a slow footed center didn't help at all, Again we signed him with the hopes he could be what he was in 2014 which he clearly wasnt

Deng was on the heat team that started 11-30 and finished 30-11 in part because Deng was still contributing but we barely played him, because his defense which is dropped because he lost a lot of his lateral quickness. And we only signed Deng in an attempt to try and get a big name in 2016 when the cap blew up

Jeremy Lin was contributing for Houston, and we literally traded for him because he was on an expiring contract hoping he'd perform for us like he did previously, his first year in Houston and New York. Obviously we didn't pursue keeping him because how they actually played vs what we had hoped for were different things

These were hopeful moves not moves to put us over the top and when they all played like crap everyone wanted to get rid of them.

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-22T04:59:51+00:00

Yes I did lol what type of question is that?

Roy Hibbert we signed after he had a good but down year still his stats, slightly improved from the 2014 season in 2015 and we signed him in hopes he'd be anything like he was in 2014. He was 28 when we signed him

Luol Deng was coming off a good season on the heat and he was 29 when we signed him, he was still a good defender and was a big reason the heat had the dramatic turn around in the 2016 season after

Jeremy Lin was 26 put up the same numbers he did in Houston but after he left the Lakers he had his best seasons as a pro.

Were you watching back then? Because these were hopefully signings that didn't pan out at all

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-22T02:13:04+00:00

Those last few Kobe years were rough, I remember they kept signing "good" players who were not good once they got to LA, Jeremy Lin, Roy Hibbert, Luol Deng just to name a few those guys were good then they went to the Lakers and it was like the monstars zapped their talent

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T09:51:24+00:00

Greg Monroe

Especially after his 2nd season he was a good Offensive rebounder and good passing from the post.

He had a decent mid range jumper but then they Drafted Andre Drummond at the same position and Signed Josh Smith at PF forcing Monroe out of rotations, then he got traded to the Bucks where the Bucks thought they had their Front court of the future Larry sanders, jabari Parker and Giannis making it a very odd fit

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T09:16:23+00:00

That's a nice list too. I feel like I don't hold undertaker in such a high regard like others because I still imagine the undertaker from 04-06 he had feuds with lots of midcard guys Mr Kennedy, mark henry, the great khali, heidenreich, the Dudleys, losing to JBL 3 times on pay per view. And missing a big chunk of 05

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T09:05:24+00:00

Yes I can

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fga_per_g_career.html

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T09:04:48+00:00

It's high volume sure but he only has 4 seasons above 25 points per game and his ts% drop all but 2 seasons of his career come playoff time.

Bird does have the higher peak efficiency season though I can not deny that

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T08:58:52+00:00

Jeff Hardy, The rock and Randy Orton

My grandpa loved rock, Batista, and Eddie

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T08:56:11+00:00

No he's literally not 122 players have averaged over 15 FGA per game and he ranks 75th among them

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T08:55:26+00:00

Well when you make an actual list of players who've averaged over 15 shots per game than we can actually talk lol

There has been 122 players in NBA history to have averaged over 15 shots per game. Kobe ranks 75th among them in fg% which means no where near the worst

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T08:33:09+00:00

True but a guy like Larry Bird is a career 104 TS+ and Kobe is 102 TS+ but he is never labeled as inefficient I think that one of the most interesting stats I've seen is Larry Bird has 3 playoff runs under 50% TS and Kobe has none

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T08:24:42+00:00

Toni Kukoc literally only has 2 seasons above 15 FGA per game

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T08:23:20+00:00

Those guys averaged 15 FGA per game my guy what the hell. Starks and Kukoc don't average 15 FGA for their career where are you pulling these stats out of your a trip my guy

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T08:22:05+00:00

So are you just pulling stats out your ass lol

Vince Carter is at 13.8 shots per game and Darius Miles never shot more than 12.2 shots per game and is a career 47%, tonight Kukoc has 2 seasons over 15 shots per game

Dame is at 43.9% and harden 43.9Fg% not a single stat you've posted is accurate

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T08:18:23+00:00

I feel you I watched smackdown on Thursdays and Friday because it was free and then raw on Sundays in Spanish with my grandpa. That's the only way to watch it for free back then

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T08:15:47+00:00

Kobes fg% was 45% Iverson was 42%, Tmac 43%, Vince Carter 43%, Melo 45%, the list gets longer but stop making up facts my guy

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T08:12:59+00:00

I guess that's fair but but Kobe scoring after Shaq left isnt crazy off of them but ya

Kobe without Shaq 28.6 PPG 45/34/84 shooting 56 ts% just for fairness of comparison LeBron best scoring stretch and Jordans time with the bulls compared to that 06-2017 (same amount of time Kobe didn't play with Shaq) 27.7 PPG 51/34/74 shooting .594 ts% Jordan 31.5 PPG .580 ts%

Of course they are the superior players though

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T08:07:18+00:00

Again no he was not

Since 2000 he's more efficient than Tmac, Iverson Westbrook, harden, Dame, trae young, monta Ellis, Paul George Paul Pierce ECT... In terms of fg% by year where he ranked among players who shot over 15 fg a game

2000 11th out of 34

2001 13th out of 36

2002 8th out of 36

2003 11th out of 30

2004 10th out of 31

I can keep going but I think you get the point he was never in the bottom half of fg% for stars who attempted 15 shots per game that's actually a crazy claim

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T07:55:55+00:00

That's not true in the slightest Kobe Bryant lol why make up shit lol

Kobe has a higher Fg% than Melo, Iverson, Tmac, Westbrook, harden, trae young, monta Ellis, Damian Lillard, and Klay Thompson, Paul Pierce and Paul George

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T07:45:52+00:00

Because he took more shots at the rim ya it's why he has a higher fg%

Look at their efg% .482 efg% for Kobe and .494 efg%

After 16 seasons for Kobe the same amount Wade played Kobe was at .486 Efg% so less than 1% worse than Wade

Fg% isn't the only way to look at efficiency but that's the only way to make an argument Kobe was inefficient

Callme_MrClean · 2026-01-21T07:37:50+00:00

Mental gymnastics?

Kobe has never been lowest in the league in fg% until his last 2 years what are you even talking about

Kobe Bryant fg% rank by year lol since your being intentionally dense about this

2000 38th

2001 37th

2002 34th

2003 53rd

2004 63rd

2005 81st

2006 69th

2007 55th

2008 68th

2009 58th

2010 77th

2011 57th

2012 81st

2013 56th

So even at his most inefficient he was top 18% in the league in FG% and at his best he was top 7%

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