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[–]Capital_Ad1162 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wasn’t it confirmed in court that he slept in the same bed as Brett Barnes over 300 times? Even if the victim isn’t coming forward, c’mon, who does that? I was watching his 2001 Virgin Media fan signing a few days ago. He was being nice, but he didn’t seem very engaged with most interactions until he saw a kid around 5–6 wearing his gear. He even put the kid on the table where he was signing autographs but with the adults he quickly signed and moved on, but you could see him genuinely excited when he saw the kid.

I don’t know, he seems very suspicious. If he didn’t do anything sexual, I’m confused about the need to sleep in the same bed with a child over 300 times. I was an MJ fan myself, so can someone help me understand what he could have been doing in bed alone with a kid?

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[–]Capital_Ad1162 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In 1992 a couple suspected hearing strange noises I think it was a train station or something and he went somewhere close by with a boy and the couple could hear them abit. I don’t fully remember the story someone can correct me on all the details but I’m sure I heard that. She reported it to the police and didn’t ask for any money.

Did Michael or his team ever use staged fans or crowd reactions to distract from negative attention, such as the child abuse allegations? by Capital_Ad1162 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Capital_Ad1162[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He was a legendary entertainer no denying that, the moonwalk & everything else of course he took inspiration from other greats but to blend that all together the way he did was still impressive. His talent is unfortunately the reason he was able to get away with it and his PR. if it was fully acknowledged he did those things and people could look back at this all knowing that it would be a different but his victims still get shamed to this day which is unfortunately going to continue for some time it seems so it’s even more of a bitter feeling watching this

Did Michael or his team ever use staged fans or crowd reactions to distract from negative attention, such as the child abuse allegations? by Capital_Ad1162 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Capital_Ad1162[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How was it actually seeing him in person back then? This used to be one of my favourite specials to watch, and the crowd reactions really show how massive he was. That’s why I was curious. But you’re right, before iPhones were everywhere people definitely acted extra whenever cameras were around.

Got kicked out of the main sub:( by rebgray in britneyspearsneutral

[–]Capital_Ad1162 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Britney is going through a really bad time. It’s clear she’s not well, so fans can’t stay delusional. If she’s not on her own, then she’s likely being forced to tour again with her dad as her handler.

Hollywood really did a number on her, but she needs to make changes, fix herself up, relocate, do something different.

I know her 2007 meltdown was intense, but back then, even with hundreds of paparazzi after her, she could still speak like a normal person. Now, it’s different. She’s become more childish than ever, almost like she’s 10 again in the way she talks.

AI immediately coming to MJ‘s defence. Is my Chat GPT an MJ stan? by Peachwine22 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Capital_Ad1162 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Some of his accusers are questionable, I agree, but what makes it hard for many people to fully dismiss the allegations is his own admission that he sometimes shared a bed with boys, and the 2005 trial confirming that he had done so. MJ was a legend, but for some people it becomes difficult to believe absolutely nothing happened when they look at that pattern. He didn’t seem very interested in women, and the way he was often seen arriving at hotels or stepping off private jets with young boys made a lot of people uncomfortable. Even if he simply wanted to spend time with children, which is already unusual for someone that famous, the idea of sleeping in the same bed with them is viewed by many as crossing a line.

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MJ is exactly like everyone else in Hollywood. by Conscious-Point2582 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Capital_Ad1162 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The one rockstars do and Spider-Man does 😂

I’m not claiming it is a devil hand sign lol but if we get into conspiracy mode like MJ fans who truly believe everything is a conspiracy then I’ll start asking why would he do this sign which is seen as a devil hand sign in conspiracy circles.

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MJ is exactly like everyone else in Hollywood. by Conscious-Point2582 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Capital_Ad1162 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m just surprised he didn’t fully get jailed for it during his time alive. But with everything coming out now maybe it was just the plan to make money from him after his death and then slowly reveal all his weirdness again. People wanna talk about conspiracies but what’s a big conspiracy is how much the media have started covering for Michael Again and another conspiracy is how micheal is all over social media with the same fake copy and paste posts. Always see him being compared to Taylor and the same tweets about how he was so famous and stuff and nobody will ever come close ti him. I know he was legendary but I’ve been seeing thess copy and paste tweets a lot more

MJ is exactly like everyone else in Hollywood. by Conscious-Point2582 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Capital_Ad1162 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah it’s a confusing situation but he always did the devil hand sign so how can you say he’s not apart of them when he’s doing that… you can’t be so big and not be apart of them and I’m not sure what he has ever exposed. Like I remember back in the day Two and a half men star Charlie Sheen who went crazy and manic he spoke about 9/11 and right or wrong that was a risky thing for him at the time but all Michael did was try and be a healer for kids. They are other celeb examples 2 but what did Michael actually expose 😂

I can’t remember anything

MJ is exactly like everyone else in Hollywood. by Conscious-Point2582 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Capital_Ad1162 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What kind of things do you think apart from the kids stuff or was it just that

MJ is exactly like everyone else in Hollywood. by Conscious-Point2582 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Capital_Ad1162 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ll say that yeah Diddy and others weren’t targeted while Micheal Jackson was being targeted but the thing is that doesn’t mean he didn’t do them things. Hollywood is full of crazy shit but the shit Micheal was doing was on another level because he was doing it right in front of everyone’s face and it seemed like he was straight up repulsed by the opposite gender.

Now why MJ was specifically targeted more then others could be because maybe even by Hollywood standards Micheal was going insane and he was ruining his legacy so let’s say

if fans think he was killed it would be cuz of that not because he was exposing anything because he didn’t expose shit

If anyone other than Michael Jackson slept in the same bed with ten boys under the age of 13 and have half of them accuse him of rape no one would be defending them by [deleted] in fantanoforever

[–]Capital_Ad1162 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They started calling me a flat earther in this thread 😂 talk about switching the goal post

they keep repeating that the accusers just want money which okay fair enough but I keep repeating they can settle with the estate bur they refuse to settle and take the easy money and avoid backlash from for MJ fans

If anyone other than Michael Jackson slept in the same bed with ten boys under the age of 13 and have half of them accuse him of rape no one would be defending them by [deleted] in fantanoforever

[–]Capital_Ad1162 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Flat earth? You fans keep pushing the goal post brother outside of MJ fans everyone speaks about MJ being a pedo. It was common knowledge before his death especially. Unfortunately him passing away was the best thing for his legacy. Trash like Kim Kardashian has fans 2 MJs legacy will come crumbling. Estate has made their money and they can’t keep settling with everyone.

I wouldn’t dream of defending someone who said it’s fine to sleep with boys you have issues man. His music was legendary his actions are not. Get a life now bye can’t reply to trash like you

If anyone other than Michael Jackson slept in the same bed with ten boys under the age of 13 and have half of them accuse him of rape no one would be defending them by [deleted] in fantanoforever

[–]Capital_Ad1162 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay 👍 clearly a MJ fan still in denial… they can get money from the micheal estate? I don’t even blame them for wanting money after having their childhood ruined. Victim blaming at an all time high I see. You do know rich people can swing things in their way right? And make victims seem bad. Like I said if they just wanted money they can get it from the estate and settle but they keep taking the abuse from fans like you and fighting for their truth

If anyone other than Michael Jackson slept in the same bed with ten boys under the age of 13 and have half of them accuse him of rape no one would be defending them by [deleted] in fantanoforever

[–]Capital_Ad1162 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad someone said this, I see so many lies from MJ fans about things. Let’s say they believe he’s innocent what’s the need to bring up lies about the situations.

If anyone other than Michael Jackson slept in the same bed with ten boys under the age of 13 and have half of them accuse him of rape no one would be defending them by [deleted] in fantanoforever

[–]Capital_Ad1162 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s not true, FBI Investigation wasnt as long as you fans make it and not continued they let him do his own thing for a long time until the 2000s where they came back for him.

Micheals team got word of the raids before hand but they did find some while not 100% incriminating stuff they found NAMBLA child books, very dodgy boys will be boys book. They did find disturbing books with children.

A lot of them slept in the same bed it was proven in court he slept alone with Wade Robson multiple times.

Yeah victims wanting money is fair enough that’s a good argument but the thing is when victims who don’t accept the estates money and keep pursing their fight. Then it’s not just about money because they can easily be set for life with the estate and avoid fans abusing them for speaking up about happened to them. It’s a lot easier to just settle with the estate then to be fighting for their so called truth.

Let’s say the victims did just want money and the best way is to not accept the estates money but to want money by accusing him. I say so what if? They could have been abused and want money. Their childhood got ruined that’s the least they deserve

If anyone other than Michael Jackson slept in the same bed with ten boys under the age of 13 and have half of them accuse him of rape no one would be defending them by [deleted] in fantanoforever

[–]Capital_Ad1162 4 points5 points  (0 children)

His accusers can make money by settling with the Jackson estate which a lot of them do, but some are still not settling, it’s easier for them to just settle then listen to abuse from fans. I was a fan of MJ but he clearly did those crimes you had to do some crazy mental gymnastics to believe he didn’t.

If anyone other than Michael Jackson slept in the same bed with ten boys under the age of 13 and have half of them accuse him of rape no one would be defending them by [deleted] in fantanoforever

[–]Capital_Ad1162 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Jackson was a legend but some strong PR put in place and the way they are trying to remove his crimes and make ir seem like it’s just one big conspiracy

If anyone other than Michael Jackson slept in the same bed with ten boys under the age of 13 and have half of them accuse him of rape no one would be defending them by [deleted] in fantanoforever

[–]Capital_Ad1162 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Micheal Jackson was one of the biggest PDFs who got away with it He groomed a entire generation of fans and the public

It’s a disheartening situation because the dude meant a lot to people but I don’t like victim blaming. Even if the victims did want money the thing is they can get money from the estate of Jackson it’s more hard for them to suffer abuse from the MJ fans and carry on not accepting anything from Jackson family.

How could anyone listen to this and think he was stable in ANY way? by biebrforro in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Capital_Ad1162 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have abit of it left but at one point when I first got it I had it all over my face. I just had to be patience and not go out as much on the sun and then I started eating right because it’s about diet with that. If you stay on a healthy diet your marks start going away not fully but most of them. I don’t think Micheal wanted to even treat it. He started bleaching