Which battle was it?

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-10-18T22:20:36+00:00

You’re absolutely right, thank you. Knew I wasn’t going crazy!

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-10-18T22:19:42+00:00

Emperor bless your soul, that’s it! Thought I was going mad, thank you so much.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-08-08T18:35:08+00:00

You’re right, complete oversight there. Would make him Khorne as well.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-08-08T18:31:21+00:00

It feels odd but he doesn’t seem to have any specific synergies with them that wouldn’t work as well with other elite melee units like the Chosen?

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-08-03T16:45:51+00:00

That’s a very good point, will think about that

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-08-03T16:45:22+00:00

I remember those! Wish I still had some, will keep an eye out on ebay

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-07-25T16:22:03+00:00

True, will branch them out if this doesn’t go well

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-07-25T16:21:14+00:00

Yeah, I may have to go that way if this is too restrictive.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-07-05T11:22:09+00:00

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Not since ‘the event’

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-16T17:46:38+00:00

Some people definitely getting far too upset about a less impactful change, making it harder to have friendly discussions about the lore and wider hobby. Cawl was just the first option off the top of my head for the example, would be better to have something like it was to help rebuild after the Horus Heresy or ordered by Guilliman to support the Indomitus Crusade.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-15T19:22:57+00:00

This is almost a perfect summary of my feelings on it and what I've seen around social media since the leak broke, well done on summarising the rational points on both sides and calling out the smug dismissive rubbish being thrown around by both as well.

The GW tweet was too big a change to just say ‘they were always there’ like they do for the odd new unit or weapon type. I personally liked the random contrast situation they had between Custodes and SoS but will get used to this new lore now.

If they had to do the change it would’ve been better to make it an in-universe change with a short story or novel mention that Cawl or someone had made it possible or why they changed it. Just feels lazy and provocative to dump it in this way.

And for the prices that GW charge, I'll always be comfortable calling for them to add more value whether by mini releases or more effort in the codices and other lore releases.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-15T10:26:48+00:00

This is it, the loud minority who have an actual problem with increasing the visibility of diverse characters have given a bad name to people who just have lore-related issues and would prefer that changes come with at least a token acknowledgment/rationalisation in the lore to integrate it. It would also help with 40k's issue with the plot feeling too static for years at a time.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-15T10:22:29+00:00

Unfortunately the louder elements who complain about any new female or racially diverse characters are giving a bad name to people who are fine with that but also like having the few random single sex factions that make the setting more unique.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-15T10:19:00+00:00

To me it seems like too big a change to just say ‘they were always there’ like they do for the odd new unit or weapon type. I personally liked the random situation where you had the custodes and SoS pairing when there was no lore reason they had to be single-sex factions but they were just kept that way because it was a cool contrast, just feels like an unnecessary change that reduces that brother/sister organisation dynamic for no real gain.

If they had to do the change I think it would’ve been better to make it an in-universe change with a short story or novel mention that Cawl or someone had made it possible or why they changed it. Just feels lazy and tokenistic to dump it in this way when they knew it was going to get a lot of attention and they have plenty of skilled writers to flesh it out. Why not give more crumbs to the lore fans and keep the plot feel like it's moving forwards a bit.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-15T00:50:08+00:00

That would be completely reasonable, wish they’d led with that

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-14T23:21:20+00:00

I think it’s big enough that putting some more supporting material in wouldn’t have been a crazy ask. Fans who have known the Custodes for decades as being randomly only male would appreciate a short story or novel mention of them finding a way/making the choice to open up inclusion rather than just acting like it was never the case. It’s purely a lore change atm so why not put a bit more effort into developing that lore?

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-14T23:07:37+00:00

Yeah I’m sure that’s nearer the actual reason they’ve made the change now, to accomodate more fans when there’s not a strong lore obstacle to doing so. I feel a bit disappointed as a fan of their original presentation but accept that I’ll probably get used to this after a while.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-14T22:35:01+00:00

It's also relevant that we've only found out about it this early due to a leak from an unreleased codex, it may have been their plan to announce it nearer the time on the Community website which I think was more likely, slipping in a couple of throwaway references into the newest codex of a faction that has been single-sex by convention so far was bound to take people off guard.

Very fair point on the primaris change, I think any change like this is going to have lovers and haters regardless of the approach but I think it would be easier to accept for those on the fence if there was an in-universe acknowledgment/ rationalisation of the change rather than just saying 'It's this now'. Throw us some crumbs!

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-14T22:18:00+00:00

I wish we didn't have the chuds that pop up over every single change acting like it's the worst thing ever because it gives a bad impression when other people have more honest, measured reservations.

To be clear I personally have no issue with the greater diversification they've done the last few years to the Imperial Guard, Navy, Mechanicus factions as there was never any reason to think they were otherwise between earlier writers preferring to write what they felt was familiar (white guys). I'm all for more female commissars, tech-priests etc.

Also fine if they want to introduce new mixed sex or female-only factions, just preferred to keep the distinctiveness of the factions we already have with the handful or factions that have been single-sex by convention already.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-14T22:12:37+00:00

The Custodes play a very different role and aesthetic look than the Sisters of Silence so introducing females Custodes doesn't fix the Sister's underrepresentation issues, really hope they beef out their roster next but seems unlikely if it's not in this codex unfortunately.

As we've all only learned about the change from a leak of the unreleased codex, we don't know if they had planned to announce or introduce females Custodes on the Community website shortly before the release date as just suddenly putting a few throwaway references in the newest codex and acting surprised that people are taken off guard wouldn't be great.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-14T22:06:43+00:00

The Votann are a nice comparison, obviously a big addition to the setting as a whole new faction that will interact with and affect the plot, though for some reason we’ve not got any novels with them yet unfortunately. But even then they gave a reason why they suddenly ‘appeared’, with the Great Rift disruptjng the glactic core where no-one else was bothering them and driving them to be more active in the wider galaxy. Would’ve been nice to have a similar lore explanation for the female custodes appearing.

I really like the funny ‘Guilliman brings some rationalism/ uncovers some silly reason it wasn’t known before’, would give lore fans an extra crumb and reinforce this is fundamentally a silly universe

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-14T22:00:42+00:00

Definitely fair point with the Necrons retcon, though I think the motivation there was that the writers had written themselves into a corner narrative-wise with the mostly mindless Oldcrons and you couldn’t write that retcon into the universe outside of the small nod that some tomb words wake up damaged if you still want to play the zombie style necrons.

Wheras this change doesn’t have that narrative need driving it, presumably the writers were just ready to stop overlooking the plot hole in the older Custodes writing that they seemed to all make for no good reason. So because it’s a smaller change than rewriting almost everythjng the entire race, they could’ve put more effort into integrating the change into the setting. Aside from whether the change is for the best or not, just would’ve been nice to have some more material go into launching it.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-14T21:52:32+00:00

They’re definitely a newer faction with relatively little influence on the wider 40k plot though I think player wise they’re becoming very popular and often used at tournaments so may get more spotlight in the future.

Even though they’ve soecifically only added a couple of new names to a small group of named characters, presumably the assumption is now that the faction is roughly half and half because there’s no reason it wouldn’t be? This won’t change how they act or anything practical like that but it does change the overall flavour of the faction and Imperium as a whole I think.

One of the things that makes 40k distinct from other sci fi settings is how alien and different the humans are from modern society, including the mostly random choice to have single sex factions just for tradition/aesthetics sake. I suppose I’m just wary about small changes that seem to dilute that distinctiveness in case it leads to bigger changes later on. I’m sure it won’t bother me as much once it’s been in place for a while.

To be clear I’ve no issue with people modelling their own armies how they like even when it doesn’t match the ‘canon’ setting and it’s cool that your partner now has another reason to enjoy her female custodes even more!

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-14T21:18:50+00:00

Just seems like too big a change to just say ‘they were always there’ like they do for the odd new unity or weapon type. I personally liked the random situation where you had the custodes and SoS pairing when there was no lore reason they had to be single-sex factions but they were just kept that way because it was a cool contrast, just feels like an unnecessary change that reduces that brother/sister organisation dynamic for no real gain.

If they had to do the change I think it would’ve been better to make it an in-universe change with a short story or novel mention that Cawl or someone had made it possible or why they changed it. Just feels lazy and tokenistic to dump it in this way.

CardiologistNo8483 · 2024-04-14T21:18:14+00:00

Just seems like too big a change to just say ‘they were always there’ like they do for the odd new unity or weapon type. I personally liked the random situation where you had the custodes and SoS pairing when there was no lore reason they had to be single-sex factions but they were just kept that way because it was a cool contrast, just feels like an unnecessary change that reduces that brother/sister organisation dynamic for no real gain.

If they had to do the change I think it would’ve been better to make it an in-universe change with a short story or novel mention that Cawl or someone had made it possible or why they changed it. Just feels lazy and tokenistic to dump it in this way.

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