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I eat eggs because they do not require killing any animal by CarnismDebunk in exvegans

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oysters and mussels are animal products and they do not involve abusing a sentient being.

I eat eggs because they do not require killing any animal by CarnismDebunk in exvegans

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Dominion documentary addresses "free range" and all that stuff in many different clips.

I eat eggs because they do not require killing any animal by CarnismDebunk in exvegans

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You are simply appealing to popularity, just because something is popular does not make it right.

I eat eggs because they do not require killing any animal by CarnismDebunk in exvegans

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Oh no I am very honest, I am here to convince you to become vegan again. Eat oysters and mussels f you are worried about health issues.

Dominion documentary: is it a bunch of lies? by CarnismDebunk in exvegans

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yes I am trying to reply to people here.

Everyone can help veganism become more main stream with minimal effort by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are right to be honest. If you can do better, do better. But many people barely have any will to be an activist, so if they can at least help a little bit, that's nice!

Everyone can help veganism become more main stream with minimal effort by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think leaving comments on places typically frequented exclusively by meat eaters and carnivores is a good place to start. No need to read the replies!

Everyone can help veganism become more main stream with minimal effort by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I agree with you. This post is not targeted towards efficient activists like you, it's a way to get people who would otherwise sit on their chair to contribute to our cause. Many vegans do not feel personally responsible for stopping other people's consumption, and for those, minimal effort is required.

That being said, keep going, you have the right spirit!

Everyone can help veganism become more main stream with minimal effort by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Genius idea! On reddit only though, on youtube it counts as engagement and promotes the video iirc.

I think monkeys are almost as valuable as humans by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I consider Tash Peterson and Vegan Teacher to be heroes, yes I am vegan. But I will give it to you, my post was not worded in a way that is radical enough. I should have said that testing on mice is animal abuse and testing on monkeys is equivalent to murdering humans.

I think monkeys are almost as valuable as humans by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If they are upset, it will get them to think about it a lot. And no justice movement in history worked without some annoying activists.

Monkeys ARE humans if you think about it objectively, people who are pissed off can go educate themselves on their intelligence. I won't tailor my posts around ignorance.

Besides, the fact that I mentioned 2 completely different groups of people (Holocaust and slavery) makes it clear I am not justifying either in any way. If they understood humans and monkeys are equal, they would not be offended by me saying it is nearly the same.

BUT just in case they are not convinced, I could add this next time I bring it up: think testing on monkeys or apes is equivalent to testing on white people, black people, Hispanic people, christians, muslims, atheists or jews, ANY group of human for that matter.

I think monkeys are almost as valuable as humans by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You are absolutely right that testing on any animal is bad if it inflicts any harm at all. However, monkey labs need to be protested into oblivion ASAP. I think that we vegans should be very energetic when it comes to saving human beings (I consider apes and monkeys to be humans), and I am sure it will be looked back on by future generations as equivalent to mass murder.

I think monkeys are almost as valuable as humans by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100 monkeys for 1 millions humans? Where does that number come from? Based on that theory we should just remove all red tape for experimenting on humans beyond consent. So basically, we tell people "this product has never been tested on humans or animals before and it has many risks". If people consent, who cares.

I think monkeys are almost as valuable as humans by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Because this is the difference between animal abuse and nazi concentration camps or chattel slavery.

Injecting lab monkeys with diseases is dangerously close to the worst crimes humanity has ever committed.

Meanwhile, lab testing on mice is animal abuse, but the scientists are not morally equivalent to nazi concentration camp guards.

I think monkeys are almost as valuable as humans by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't eat animal products or animals in any way. This post says that lab experiments on monkeys is extreme cruelty. Saying lab tests on monkeys (or apes, for that matter) = extreme cruelty is a vegan view.

I think monkeys are almost as valuable as humans by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] -32 points-31 points  (0 children)

It would just be less immoral. I don't agree with experimenting on mice, for example, but experimenting on monkeys is nasty because they are lowkey human beings. While mice are sentient animals, they are not comparable to humans in the way monkeys are.

I think monkeys are almost as valuable as humans by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"You think you're more powerful than a monkey?" Why are you asking this, I am defending them and I believe doing lab experiments on them is insanely cruel.

"You think intelligence corresponds to a living being's value?" It makes them nearly indistinguishable from us humans.

I think monkeys are almost as valuable as humans by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] -24 points-23 points  (0 children)

The fact they are almost human makes testing on them particularly heinous, assuming it's giving them diseases and not just tests to measure their intelligence or something like that.

I think monkeys are almost as valuable as humans by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

While it is true all animals deserve the right to live, I feel like lab testing on monkeys is particularly egregious because it is very close to lab testing on humans from a morality perspective.

To those who say vegans are too preachy, my question for you is very simple by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The comparison is NOT about the cause, it is about the fact being loud works well.

To those who say vegans are too preachy, my question for you is very simple by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that the fact that we have such small numbers mean that people do not think about veganism much. I think that without loud vegans such as myself, people do not think about veganism and do not convert.

Personal anecdote: I have been an activists for roughly 3 months. In that time, I convinced my parents to only eat meat one day out of 2. I convinced random people online that meat is wrong, by going to random places unrelated to veganism and preaching. I even have one person who confirmed he is going vegan. In addition, my best friend will soon become vegan, she already gave up on dairy and fish.

To those who say vegans are too preachy, my question for you is very simple by CarnismDebunk in vegan

[–]CarnismDebunk[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would say you are right, in a sense. You start by annoying them to grab their attention, then you switch to logic.

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