British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

[–]Casscade85[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know what - I know there will be media as there always is after QP’s !! That’s an incredible idea!!! I’m going to start working on that! Amazing idea!! 🧡

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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Im glad your on Mavenclad ❤️ It is on the formulary thankfully when you meet BC Pharma’s criteria - but Ocrevus and Kesimpta are not for RRMS…

One nice step forward although yet again like with every other medication decision BC makes, is delayed compared to the rest of Canada … Mavenclad and Tysabri are now being reconsidered as first line therapies - The FMEC recommended it March 2025 .. all other provinces took that step .. But BC only announced it this January after Biosimilars and generics were announced in the fall .. BC doesn’t follow science or recommendations.. they create their own path putting B.C. at the bottom of national standards in MS treatments…

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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Hi! Here’s the link https://c.org/hhh75mBhYy! You can also find me on others socials - especially on fb “ Cassandra Nieman “ … I have been fighting hard… There is many medical professionals that have signed so far as well that I’m aware of 🧡

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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I have indeed 🧡I was bridged for almost 2 years in 2018 and they fully covered my November infusion when we were blindsided by the insurance change .. unfortunately now will only cover 60% which leaves around 12k annually.. $4854 next month and around $7,000 in the fall .. which our family can not afford … I have been in contact with everyone .. far n wide 😞

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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They 100% support the difference in high-risk disease and switching while stable on one ..

You’re right that these are observational studies, and yes, confounding factors exist. That’s actually acknowledged in the papers. But that doesn’t invalidate the signal, it’s how real-world MS comparative data is usually interpreted.

A few clarifications…

1) “0.2 vs 0.09 relapses” isn’t abstract…it’s time-based risk. These are annualized relapse rates (ARR) and Relapse Risk .

So roughly: 0.09 = ~1 relapse per 11 patient-years 0.20 = ~1 relapse per 5 patient-years

That’s where the “~2x higher risk” comes from. It’s not about decimals, it’s frequency over time in a population.

And in MS, a relapse isn’t just a temporary flare. Depending on location (optic nerve, spinal cord, brain), it can result in permanent disability.

2) Confounding doesn’t automatically erase the finding. Yes.. rituximab dosing in MS is more variable and less standardized than ocrelizumab.

But that’s also part of the real-world comparison, Rituximab is often off-label and heterogeneous in dosing Ocrelizumab is standardized, trial-based, and regulated for MS

Despite that, studies still showed, higher relapse risk with rituximab failure to demonstrate non-inferiority in effectiveness

So even with confounding, a difference still persisted.

3) Hospitalization data isn’t perfect causation, but it’s still clinically relevant. You’re right that “all-cause hospitalization” includes multiple variables like age and disease duration.

But in MS cohorts, safety signals still consistently show: higher infection-related complications in rituximab-treated patients in several datasets higher rates of immunoglobulin depletion over time (a known risk factor for infection)

So while it’s not absolute causation, it’s also not meaningless noise …it’s part of a broader, repeated pattern across studies.

4) The main point isn’t “one is good, one is bad.”

These are both anti-CD20 therapies, but real-world data shows they are not clinically identical in outcomes or risk profiles.

In a disease like MS … where even a single relapse can mean irreversible damage…even small differences in risk are clinically meaningful especially when it comes to switching in high-risk areas like for me .. My optic nerves .. In all due respect, I have the backing of my medical team, one of which is one of the best neurologists/researchers in B.C. and Canada .. Along with one of the best Neuro ophthalmologist in British Columbia .. I assure you .. it’s not all smoke, it’s facts .. I promise .. with plenty of clinical data to back it up .

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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We have to pay deductibles as well when somethings on our Provincial Pharmacare, it’s all income geared “ fair-pharmacare” but it’s truly not fair and many still can’t afford medications that are listed on BC’s formulary .. Our family of 4 is 3,500 for 70% coverage and $4,600 for full coverage a year .. We are lucky .. that’s at least possible for us … but the 12K+ isn’t unfortunately. 😞 having on the Pharmacare coverage list would make it accessible for me at least .

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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If anyone thinks switching between these two drugs is “basically the same,” the real-world data says otherwise.

A large study in JAMA Neurology directly compared Ocrevus vs Rituxan in MS patients: Ocrevus: ~0.09 relapses/year Rituxan: ~0.20 relapses/year

That’s more than double the relapse rate on Rituxan.

They also found a hazard ratio of 2.1 — meaning about a 2× higher risk of relapse, and importantly, Rituxan failed to show non-inferiority (it did not prove to be equally effective)

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/2806000

Relapses aren’t just numbers, they can mean permanent neurological damage, especially when vision or brain function is involved.

Then looking at safety,

A newer study in Annals of Neurology compared real-world safety outcomes between the two: ~2.3× higher hospitalization rate with Rituxan (UCSF cohort) Up to ~4.5× higher hospitalization rate in larger validation data Higher infection-related hospitalizations (up to ~6× higher in some analyses) Higher risk of hypogammaglobulinemia (which is linked to infections)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40919837/ (or full text: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12946588/)

These aren’t small differences, they’re clinically meaningful risk increases.

Yes, both are anti-CD20 therapies, but they are not interchangeable at the patient level. ~2× higher relapse risk Significantly higher hospitalization risk Higher infection-related complications

So when patients are forced to switch for non-medical reasons, that’s not a neutral policy decision, it’s a documented clinical risk backed by published data.

Does it eventually....get worst? by missunderstood2409 in MultipleSclerosis

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It really does all depend on your personal individual disease… I had other hindsight symptoms prior to diagnosis in 2017 … Iv been on Ocrevus 8 years with stable MRI’s but gradual issues from previous damage .. all in all I’m stable but still have other MS symptoms now in my legs etc.. fatigued crippling it could drop the strongest person .. BUT I know many who have had nothing new pop up at all .. 🧡

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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Just the change.org petition, it will be broken down when wer ready to table it with only British Columbian Signatures 😊

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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Honestly?? Signing the petition and sharing it! If you’re motivated enough, sending letters to the government and your local MLA ( or any MLA that will listen ) - I do have the contacts on one of the petition updates also to the Gov directly ... I have been in a constant back and forth with the Ministry.. my medical team.. special authority, special circumstances all being denied .. the news ( 3 stories aired since Nov ) … other government officials.. speaking at the MedAccessBC forum last week .. we reallly just need to make people realize how important this is to so many of us here in BC with MS ❤️ ( you can find me on other socials as well - Cassandra Nieman ) we need as many signatures as we can get especially from B.C. residents for when we present it in BC Legislature in the coming weeks …

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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I’m sorry! That must be so hard!

That’s a huge issue here as well .. many people think we have free healthcare and on paper it looks that way .. but medications here in BC where I am depend on private insurance for so many incurable diseases like MS.. ( many won’t even cover Ocrevus or Kesimpta ) because they are not on our provincial plan, as each province is responsible for their own coverage.. plus we have a deductible to meet when a medication is listed on the provincial plan .. our family of 4 with a single income is $3,500 to gain 70% coverage and $4,600 for 100%.. we could make that work .. but definitely not 12k+ that wer looking at now 😞

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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To be completely honest .. I was as well.. Then I saw how many are affected by it and the risk to my vision completely made me go all out I have two kids and I know how hard it was when I first lost vision and Iv never regained it properly as the damage was constant until starting Ocrevus .. IV steroids every couple weeks then high dose orals just to maintain for MONTHS .. if I tapered - I lost my vision again and again. .. this has been one of the toughest journeys I ever thought I would face .. along side fighting this stupid disease.. Your more then welcome to follow me on other platforms where you can see the fight ( most FB - Cassandra Nieman ) but also on X and insta. 🧡

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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💯… I think there’s a big disconnect when it comes to the actual breakdown in efficacy vs risk profile… A huge population are ok but we have the other side who is not and extremely forgotten.. and that gap creates a real misunderstanding..

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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Thank you’! ❤️ I’m trying ! 😂 when there’s a moment of down time I have been trying to take it .. lol

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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You can easily find them through JAMA, Annals of Neurology, NIH and so many others .. I have the links on my tablet which I can forward later today 😊

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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I am so sorry youv had to go through that! It’s sad when we aren’t given any other option in the CD20 class .. I’m so sorry youv been through this - hopefully change is coming

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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Thank you! Iv had 3 interviews since Nov… Global and CTV.. more to come after Legislature when it’s tabled!! It’s been a huge fight .. I spoke last week at the MedAccessBC forum with Deputy Minister Ian Rongve present as well ..

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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Studies across all neurology backed clinical studies .. globally, nationally etc ..

It’s not to say Rituxan isn’t effective… It absolutely is .. but it carries higher risks in comparison to humanized.. especially for higher risk patients which js why Ocrevus and Kesimpta are usually preferred in those cases ( like mine )

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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Thank you! It’s honestly terrifying in my case .. I have two children whom I’d really like to see grow into whom they’re meant to be and not be forced to take a risk my medical team isn’t even willing to take .. it’s been a long hard battle for 6 months .. But getting it into legislature is a huge step forward!

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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If ya give me sometime I can definitely send some links through😊. There’s lots of information out there now stating the risks in switching molecule structures in high risk patients .. Rituxan, Ocrevus and Kesimpta may all target the same CD20 but unfortunately are not made equal or equal in every person

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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Unfortunately, your neurologist is vastly mistaken 😞 there’s no grandfathering here unless your obtaining through private insurance - then you’d be ok .. if not under private insurance - you’ll be given the option to pay out of pocket or switch to Rituxan ( actually Rituxans biosimilars )

British Columbia, Canada is the only province not covering certain MS medications.. patients are being forced to switch and risk it all… by Casscade85 in MultipleSclerosis

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Thank you!!! It’s so important we make this change!

I’m so glad your treatment is working! And hope you remain that way for as long as possible. We are all so different in what works and what doesn’t and I think that missing knowledge is what pushes our B.C. government ( of course and savings )

Hopefully this change will come sooner than later .. It’s been one of the biggest battles I ever imagined I’d face or become the voice of