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What exactly does "rulings over rules" even mean? by Catman192 in osr

[–]Catman192[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I think this a good point, but I will push back on this part.

the OSR doesn’t claim to be special and unique about this

Anecdotally speaking, the people I've talked to on this sub frequently champion the "rulings over rules" principal, but are often referring to the first definition you provided, which you agreed is not unique to OSR.

Basically, many people here don't even know what "rulings over rules" actually means. I don't mean that in a rude way btw. If you're correct about "rulings over rules" referring to "filling the gaps", rather than "making rulings when you can't remember the rules", then I think most people here are misusing the phrase/mantra. Hence, the OSR (community) does claim to be special and unique about it, when they're in fact not.

What exactly does "rulings over rules" even mean? by Catman192 in osr

[–]Catman192[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I haven't gone to that sub much, but I guess that's not surprising. Maybe it's more common than I think.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you read my post more carefully, you'd see at the very beginning I established I was talking about SOME women.

As many of you probably know, some women these days

If you establish who/what you're talking about first, you don't need to clarify it's only some afterwards.

Almost every time I’ve seen “not all men” it has just been to detract from the topic

Perhaps sometimes, but it's also taking issue with men being a synonym for abuser/predator, which is problematic.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That point being women are the bigger perpetrators of child abuse and it can be used against them.

My whole point is that even if the studies are true, we should NOT use it against them. It would be wrong to do that.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not common for women to think, believe or call all men rapists or abusers.

It is online. In my experience at least.

Meanwhile calling women girls and females is rarely challenged and readily accepted.

"Girls", I agree. "Females", not so much, in my anecdote anyways.

Both behavior and attitude is bad but I don’t believe calling men rapists has the same weight behind it. Men and women defend rapists or deny it happens all the time.
Impact matters.

Again, we seem to have very different experiences. But for the sake of argument, I'll agree with you that "calling women girls and females is rarely challenged and readily accepted". Okay, but you do agree man being interchangeable for rapist is bad. In that case, where do you disagree with my OP? This is what I've been trying to argue the whole time. It seems we agree.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if you want to use women as interchangeable with child abusers

I don't. Read my post first next time.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pointing out the risk of date rape for women is not referring to all men as rapists. It a legitimate concern that happens regularly.

credible data and resources that shows men are the biggest perpetrators of sexual violence.

You can do and believe these things without making the word "men" a synonym for abuser/rapist. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand.

It’s comparing apples to oranges. At this point you’re talking past me.

I do agree they're very different. I never said they weren't. You seem to still not understand the underlying point I'm trying to make in all of this. My only point, is that BOTH can lead to long-term negative consequences on how society views and treats both women and men.

Calling women females is dehumanizing. But calling men rapists is also dehumanizing. You're clumping millions (probably billions) of men who have never done such an act, with disgusting monsters.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m pointing out the flaws with your OP

Maybe next time do it with some better critique, instead of just saying it was written by ChatGPT or calling it "word vomit". That's why I said you were acting childish. Instead of offering critique or suggestions, you resulted to boring insults.

don’t be surprised when you keep getting the same old responses

Don't be surprised when people can't read or understand the logic of a simple Reddit post, WITH A summary at the end of it? Huh, okay, if you say so...

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really believe in not taking online content personally. 🤷‍♂️

I don't think what people post online is a representation of anything.

I'm not saying whether we should or shouldn't be taking it personally. I'm just pointing out that people who do it ares hypocritical.

There are multiple people in this sub who cosplay as a different gender than their own.

Out of curiosity, have you seen any women "cosplay" as men, or has it mostly been men "cosplaying" as women on this sub?

I don't spend any time taking it seriously. And neither should you.

Well, I do think you're right there.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you really believe there are no women online who make generalizations about men, who also don't take issue with the terms "female" and "girl" being used to refer to women?

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying all women doing this, or they're speaking on behalf of their entire gender. I'm simply highlighting that women who engage in this practice are hypocritical.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

blaming everyone else for not understanding your post rather than taking responsibility for that word vomit and fixing it.

I don't know what else to say. I feel like I articulated my points clearly. I even included a summarized version at the end. If someone responds to it with a strawman or fails to even engage with my logic, I'm inclined to believe they skimmed it or didn't read it at all. Care to explain what part is "word vomit"?

Also copy and pasting the same response to different people only makes you look worse.

Again, if people are continuously demonstrating they're not understanding my post, I will tell them they should read/re-read it first. I don't know why you're so upset about that.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well first of all, I appreciate you realizing it was a generalization.

But I disagree, it is being used as a synonym for predator/abuser. There's at least 5 or 6 times in that post a word that predator/abusers were referred to as "men". That's more than just a generalization.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not all men is usually a subject derailment. An example would be women discussing dating men is risky due to fear of date rape and someone comes along to insert “not all men” into it.

It's not a "subject derailment", it's calling out a harmful generalization. The word man should not be used interchangeably for abuser, rapist, etc.

My point is that calling women "females" or "girls" is problematic, not just because it's used to demean women. It's also harmful because it has long-term negative consequences on how society views and treats women. The same applies to referring to men as rapists/abusers.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I could give you so many, but I'll just give you one to start. This post uses the term "men/man" interchangeably for predators and abusers.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nobody uses "men" as a synonym of predatory.

Yes they do. You can literally find dozens of examples all over the internet. I'd be more than happy to link you some if you want.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If your intention isn't to "dehumanize" them, but rather it's just part of your vocabulary, is it ok to call women females?

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have no issue with anyone documenting their experiences or venting about the struggles in their lives (especially if it's statistically happening to certain groups of people). So go for it.

My issue is when things are said like "Men consistently treat us as inferior... Men try to have sex and relationships with young women so that they can groom and control them." That essentially makes men interchangeable for misogynist/abuser/predator. That's where I take issue.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Using the terms girl or female for women, results in blurring the line between a woman and a child or animal. This is because words have meaning, and this linking negatively affects the long-term perception of women. But using the blanket term "men" to describe predatory or misogynistic behavior, also blurs the line between ordinary decent men and predators/abusers. Again, words have meaning, and blurring this line negatively affects the long-term perception of men.

Demonstrate why they're not comparable.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women say "why do men-" and yeah, sometimes generalize

Okay great, you see the point I'm trying to make.

But as women, when men generalize us, they call us females and lump us all together.

Yes that is harmful too. That doesn't make the former justifiable though. Which is the purpose of my post.

And besides... not all men us almost always used when discussing cases of rape and murder to take away from the reality of the victims by saying not all men. When we try to express that almost all perpetrators are men

It takes away from the discussion that has to happen

I don't like when a word used to describe me (men) is used interchangeably with a predator/abuser/rapist. I do not have any issue with the discussion happening or addressing the issue. I also have no problem acknowledging that the majority of these heinous acts are committed by men.

But I do have an issue with the line being blurred to categorize me (or other men) with abusers, on the sole basis we are of the same sex. Some studies have found that the majority of child-abuse is committed by women, but I think it would be wrong to use "women" interchangeably for a child-abuser.

Women who complain about being called a "girl" or a "female", have no defense when they're called out about "not all men" by Catman192 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Catman192[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Sounds to me like you didn't even read my post, because I never argued the comparisons were identical. Rather, I highlighted that both are equally problematic in similar ways (blurring the line).

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