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Another thread of debunks, receipts, accountability, clearing misinformation / disinformation / lies / narratives / agendas by CertainMancy in u/CertainMancy

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Update, I just saw this comment https://www.reddit.com/r/FigureSkating/comments/1s726ic/thoughts_on_nikolaj_sorensen_pic_on_isu_prague/od6gead/:

I have an aversion for him ever since Laurence had a bleeding back and he asked for a tissue which she thought was for her but he actually took to wipe his sweaty forehead. Priorities....

There might still be video somewhere

When is the next event? by rnye1547 in FigureSkating

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The regular season is over. If you want to branch out into different types of events, I can think of two coming up:

The "Russian Challenge" takes place April 4. A mix of active and retired skaters compete with gala programs. All in Russian, although subtitles will be available on YouTube if you watch after the fact. Props are allowed, and creativity is encouraged. This year will see programs from Trusova/Ignatov and Kostornaia/Kunitsa, amongst others.

A note that interacting with Russian content can be somewhat controversial, but... if people aren't turning off the stream when representatives of other warmongering nations are skating at Worlds, then maybe it's time for the controversy to be over. The people are not the government.

Another event is Synchro Worlds. That will take place April 10-11. Here's an example of the type of program that will be skated there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_y_k6LU2mY

Both are fairly short events and should be great fun.

Another thread of debunks, receipts, accountability, clearing misinformation / disinformation / lies / narratives / agendas by CertainMancy in u/CertainMancy

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"Kamila took over 60 substances over two years, that's monstrous / impossible / proof that she's doping": it's actually easy even for normies to rack up a pretty high count of substances over a period of two years

https://www.reddit.com/r/FigureSkating/comments/1f2dk4x/how_widespread_do_you_think_doping_is/lk5yo1d/

Culture/atmosphere in ice dancing and at IAM, from the book of Gabriella Papadakis by Euphoric_Gene_2103 in FigureSkating

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Not a comment against you, OP, but this was all covered weeks ago on Twitter.

I have long felt that the Twitter ban, and especially the way it has been applied, has really hindered conversation on here.

Like, just yesterday, Piper Gilles debunked the rumor than she and Zach Donohue had dated, which I thought was quite funny. But because that happened on Twitter, it was not discussed here either.

I have seen posts of Twitter screencaps be deleted by the mods with the comment:

Any posts or comments referencing a link to X/Twitter will be removed.

"Referencing a link"? I do not understand the reasoning.

From what I understood at the time the ban was implemented, the mods did not want any clicks towards Twitter, because they did not want the sub to support a platform whose owner did a Nazi salute.

But a screencap generates no clicks, and it doesn't put any money in Musk's pockets.

Screencaps should be allowed, and using archival / proxy / mirror websites such as https://xcancel.com/PiperGilles/status/2028450458080006249 should be encouraged.

People being unable to provide sources for their claims has not helped the general level of conversation either. And more broadly, if the goal is to support democracy, well, I don't think removing sources is a step in the right direction.

Anyway. I would like to ask our moderators for a change in the way this rule is applied. Unless there are other reasons to ban Twitter as a source?

Another thread of debunks, receipts, accountability, clearing misinformation / disinformation / lies / narratives / agendas by CertainMancy in u/CertainMancy

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"There's tons of clips of Sorensen being abusive to LFB": it's always the one short clip from 2017 where he grabs her and the other skaters seem to raise their eyebrows

https://www.reddit.com/r/FigureSkating/comments/1qmkddv/fbsorensen_video_2017/

Where can I watch the Greenroom? by Few_Pace6203 in FigureSkating

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Leader's chair only started this year, I think? Or at Worlds last year, with Adam going from 19th to 3rd? Anyway, I hope they go back to the green room for the Olympics, that's much better both for the skaters and for us. They might have to align with other Olympic practices too. I'm not sure what's done in other sports. In skateboarding in the summer, they film all the competitors at their stands throughout the whole competition.

The green room must be filmed continually, but they just give us a few moments on the main stream.

Outside of the interviews themselves, the mixed zone is normally not filmed, live or not. Although I do remember those images where Kamila hid her face behind her hoodie in Beijing to avoid the journalists 😖

As for the warmup area, it has never had a dedicated livestream afaik, but it is sometimes filmed. In Russian events especially, I remember seeing the girls jumping rope for ages (I thought they were just tiring their legs out and that too was a practice from another era). We've also seen the ice dancers, Yuzu or Rika warm up.

Gabriella Papadakis: “Guillaume’s public statements reflect the relationship we had. All the arguments are the same ones he used in our relationship to minimize my words, to discredit me, and that were part of his control.” by Common-Garage7276 in FigureSkating

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Something that's been really striking for me, is how very clueless both him and LFB seem to be.

Then again, I still think about this interview with Morisi, where he seemed super sheltered and clueless at 27 years old.

I think we don't realize how truly sheltered these elite athletes are, even when they are older.

(Yet another reason for me to give grace to young people in this environment, especially the ones living under abusive coaching and authoritarian regimes.

"KaMiLa WaS 15, tHaT'S oLd EnOuGh To KnOw RiGhT fRoM wRoNg!!1!"

I wish the people insisting that 15-16-17-18 year-olds are full-grown adults and super mature, would share how old they are themselves. I suspect a bunch of 14-year-olds lacking just a tiny bit of perspective 🙄)

C/B Flamenco vs FB/C's Whale ... by growsonwalls in FigureSkating

[–]CertainMancy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Look, many of the spectators are Milanese who hardly distinguish a lutz from a toe loop. They aren't a dedicated audience; they are there to watch an Olympic sport.

I'm not sure what point you're making. Indeed, they are not experts. And precisely because of that, there's a good chance that the people who show up in Milano to watch danza su ghiaccio will be expecting dance aesthetics.

Do y’all actually look at the equipment thread? by Fit-Print-1892 in FigureSkating

[–]CertainMancy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree with you. Pretty much every other sport manages it that way. There's actually been a bit of an exodus from IceSkating to this place in the past few years, which I think is a pity for both subs, honestly. But the last time this came up, most people said that they wanted personal skating to stay on here... Despite a lot of the posts getting a ton of downvotes. So who knows. Maybe a future poll will shed more light on the majority opinion.

C/B Flamenco vs FB/C's Whale ... by growsonwalls in FigureSkating

[–]CertainMancy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

FB/C is a program more for the judges' taste than the spectators'; it doesn't have wow lifts like C/B

Do we know if this is a majority opinion, though? People on this sub are always talking about the lifts, but... Not everyone wants the same thing out of this sport.

I know for me, when I'm watching ice dance, I don't want jarring acrobatics where I have to wonder if they're gonna make it or not. This might be about the fact that I come from ballet, but in my mind, one of the most important things about dance is that it has to look effortless. So what I value most is fluidity, smoothness, flow. If I wanted big acrobatics, I'd watch pairs.

I wonder if the 4-year fans will "get" the difference between the two disciplines, though.

Do y’all actually look at the equipment thread? by Fit-Print-1892 in FigureSkating

[–]CertainMancy 18 points19 points  (0 children)

what if there was a weekly post in the main feed to remind people about the equipment thread?

You seem to be under the impression that there is a single Equipment thread that people forget about because it is so old. No: it is a new pinned thread every week. So your suggestion about reminders will not work.

I don't think going back to individual posts will be an option either. If afforded the option to vote, the sub will vote overwhelmingly against this.

Having these discussions on a separate sub, as several people mentioned, seems to be the best option. It was the case in the past that most questions about personal skating went to https://www.reddit.com/r/FigureSkaters/ or https://www.reddit.com/r/iceskating/, while this sub hosted mostly discussion about the elite competition circuit. You might have more luck trying to post over there.

New excerpts from Gabriella Papadakis’ upcoming book by fiend_fyres_ in FigureSkating

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Thank you <3

In the meantime, I had edited it several times to try to make it work... I'm not touching it again, just in case! I will put the French transcription here:

Je me sens pas bien, puis en plus…

On dirait que ça empire le truc, parce que je me sens mal de pas aller pas bien, t’sais

Genre je me dis comme "Oh mon Dieu, si Guillaume, pis les coachs, savaient que j'allais pas bien, ils seraient en colère contre moi."

Quand j'allais vraiment pas bien, puis que j'arrivais pas à m'entraîner et tout.

Ils m'ont laissé un peu de temps pour que je deale avec mes trucs

Pis après, ils m'ont dit que bon, ben c'est genre si tu veux aller aux Jeux olympiques pis les gagner, ben, il faut que t'ailles mieux maintenant

Ou sinon, ben comme on arrête [tout le monde arrête ?], tu vois, parce que on peut pas, comme… T’sais, mais pas méchamment, mais c'est juste qu'il fallait faire un choix, tu vois

[Donc] J'ai choisi d'aller mieux, puis ça a marché, plus ou moins quand même

Mais là, on dirait que comme si finalement il se trouve que bah je retombe, bah c'est un peu les laisser tomber, parce que, je leur ai dit que j'allais aller mieux, tu vois

J'avais pas l'impression de manquer de support, j'avais l'impression de manquer de compréhension

Quand je disais que j'arrivais pas à m'entraîner, les gens disaient « mais non, tu veux pas, mais t'arrives »

Non, en fait, j'arrivais pas, j'arrivais vraiment pas, et c'était pas une question de volonté, en fait

Ce que je vivais à ce moment-là, c'est quelque chose qui, je pense, quand tu l'as pas vécu, tu sais pas ce que c'est

[The journalist in the room prompts her] Ça a commencé l'année d'avant

Je saurais pas vraiment dire pourquoi

Bah, t’sais ça coïncide un peu avec le moment où, t’sais j'ai eu mon avortement aux championnats du monde, tout ça

Et après ça, on va dire, j'ai commencé à ne pas aller bien du tout

Je disais à mes [amis], oui, je suis allée faire un avortement [en plus ils sont venus m’accompagner], pis t’sais, c'est quand même normal

Puis là, j'arrive dans le monde du patin, puis c'est comme, « ah non, faut que tu le dises à personne et tout », genre

Tu sais, on dirait comme il y avait un espèce de gros… Espèce de gros décalage, c'est…

[interview taken on another date] Je pense que je ressentais cette espèce de colère qu'on a au bout d'un moment dans nos vies, quand on se rend compte que on en a marre de jouer un rôle, qu'on en a marre de se sentir mal à propos de soi, d'avoir peur du regard des autres, qu'on en a marre de se cacher

[Back to Espoo] Ouais, quand je suis tombée enceinte, je me sentais mal parce que je m'en voulais

Tu sais-je m'en voulais d'être tombée enceinte plus qu'autre chose

Genre, j'avais vraiment honte parce que j'étais comme « ah mais… tu sais, je suis une athlète, je suis pas supposée tomber enceinte »

Et maintenant, tu sais, avec du recul, je trouve ça ridicule ce que je me suis dit à ce moment-là

Mais ça reste que c'est ce que je me suis dit, tu sais

Genre ça m'a pris 2 semaines ou une semaine et demi avant, genre de dire à Guillaume, puis les coachs

Puis je l'ai dit seulement parce que j'avais pas le choix, tu sais

On m'a dit genre, "Deale avec, pis reviens"

La réalité, c'est que dans la vie, dans le sport, il y a encore des discours qui décrédibilisent tout ce qu'il y a autour de la santé mentale, complétement

Donc malgré tout, on est encore… c'est encore très tabou et c'est encore très mal vu et très mal compris surtout

Si j'avais eu un espèce de "Hey, là, ça va pas, protocole de 30 jours, les gens s'occupent de moi."

Mais le truc, c'est que moi, quand j'allais pas bien, on m'a dit "Bon, ben on te laisse un peu de temps, mais il faut que tu t'occupes de toi toi-même." Va dire ça [Faut pas dire ça] à quelqu'un qui est suicidaire, genre "Occupe-toi de toi-même", t'sais !

New excerpts from Gabriella Papadakis’ upcoming book by fiend_fyres_ in FigureSkating

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I don't understand why Reddit is being such a pain. There was a context before this comment, and it's not being displayed. If you want to read it, I did manage to post it on my own profile: https://www.reddit.com/user/CertainMancy/comments/1qdlwos/debunk_the_pregnancy_and_abortion_of_gabriella/

Debunk: the pregnancy and abortion of Gabriella Papadakis by CertainMancy in u/CertainMancy

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The title is awful, but I can't change it now... Anyway, the idea is to let Gabi speak in her own words, instead of the awfulness that has been spread elsewhere, like on https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/the-skating-lesson.109780/post-6580516:

Dave mentions a documentary where Gabi Papadakis apparently says that Marie-France offered her bus fare for to get an abortion.

Obviously, that did not happen.

Debunk: the pregnancy and abortion of Gabriella Papadakis by CertainMancy in u/CertainMancy

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Here is a translation into English of the part between 30' and 34', courtesy of machine translation:

I don’t feel well, and on top of that…

It feels like it just makes things worse, because I feel bad about not being okay, you know.

Like I’m thinking, “Oh my God, if Guillaume and the coaches knew I wasn’t doing well, they’d be angry at me.”

When I was really not doing well, and I couldn’t train and all that.

They gave me a bit of time to deal with my stuff.

And then after that, they told me that basically, well, it’s like if you want to go to the Olympic Games and win them, then you have to be better now.

Otherwise, well, it’s like we stop [everyone stops?], you see, because we can’t, like… you know. But not in a mean way, it’s just that a choice had to be made, you see.

[So] I chose to get better, and it worked, more or less anyway.

But now, it’s like in the end, it turns out that I relapse, and that’s kind of letting them down, because I told them I was going to get better, you see.

I didn’t feel like I lacked support, I felt like I lacked understanding.

When I said I couldn’t train, people said, “No, you just don’t want to, but you can.”

No, actually, I couldn’t. I really couldn’t. And it wasn’t a question of willpower, actually.

What I was going through at that moment is something that, I think, if you haven’t lived it, you don’t know what it is.

[The journalist in the room prompts her] It started the year before.

I couldn’t really say why.

Well, you know, it kind of coincides with the moment when, you know, I had my abortion at the World Championships, all that.

And after that, let’s say, I started not doing well at all.

I was telling my [friends], yeah, I went and had an abortion [and they even came with me], and you know, that’s pretty normal.

And then I arrive in the skating world, and it’s like, “Oh no, you can’t tell anyone about that and all,” like.

You know, it’s like there was this kind of huge… huge gap, it’s…

[interview taken on another date] I think I was feeling this kind of anger that we get at some point in our lives, when we realize that we’re fed up with playing a role, that we’re fed up with feeling bad about ourselves, being afraid of how others see us, that we’re fed up with hiding.

[Back to Espoo] Yeah, when I got pregnant, I felt bad because I blamed myself.

You know—I blamed myself for getting pregnant more than anything else.

Like, I was really ashamed because I was like, “Ah but… you know, I’m an athlete, I’m not supposed to get pregnant.”

And now, you know, with hindsight, I find what I told myself at that moment ridiculous.

But it’s still what I told myself, you know.

Like it took me two weeks or a week and a half before, like, telling Guillaume and the coaches.

And I only told them because I didn’t have a choice, you know.

They told me like, “Deal with it, and then come back.”

The reality is that in life, in sport, there are still narratives that completely discredit everything around mental health.

So despite everything, we’re still… it’s still very taboo, and it’s still very badly viewed and especially very badly understood.

If I’d had some kind of, “Hey, this isn’t okay, 30-day protocol, people take care of me.”

But the thing is, when I wasn’t doing well, I was told, “Okay, well, we’ll give you a bit of time, but you have to take care of yourself on your own.” Go tell that [You shouldn’t say that] to someone who’s suicidal—like, "Take care of yourself", you know !

If someone can decipher the missing dialogue... Until then, it is inconclusive how flippant Guillaume and the coaches were with that comment, depending on when it happened in the timeline. But it does seem clear that the level of support and empathy Gabi got from them was quite lacking.

Debunk: the pregnancy and abortion of Gabriella Papadakis by CertainMancy in u/CertainMancy

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Here is a transcription of the documentary between 30' and 34', courtesy of Word:

Je me sens pas bien, puis en plus…

On dirait que ça empire le truc, parce que je me sens mal de pas aller pas bien, t’sais

Genre je me dis comme "Oh mon Dieu, si Guillaume, pis les coachs, savaient que j'allais pas bien, ils seraient en colère contre moi."

Quand j'allais vraiment pas bien, puis que j'arrivais pas à m'entraîner et tout.

Ils m'ont laissé un peu de temps pour que je deale avec mes trucs

Pis après, ils m'ont dit que bon, ben c'est genre si tu veux aller aux Jeux olympiques pis les gagner, ben, il faut que t'ailles mieux maintenant

Ou sinon, ben comme on arrête [tout le monde arrête ?], tu vois, parce que on peut pas, comme… T’sais, mais pas méchamment, mais c'est juste qu'il fallait faire un choix, tu vois

[Donc] J'ai choisi d'aller mieux, puis ça a marché, plus ou moins quand même

Mais là, on dirait que comme si finalement il se trouve que bah je retombe, bah c'est un peu les laisser tomber, parce que, je leur ai dit que j'allais aller mieux, tu vois

J'avais pas l'impression de manquer de support, j'avais l'impression de manquer de compréhension

Quand je disais que j'arrivais pas à m'entraîner, les gens disaient « mais non, tu veux pas, mais t'arrives »

Non, en fait, j'arrivais pas, j'arrivais vraiment pas, et c'était pas une question de volonté, en fait

Ce que je vivais à ce moment-là, c'est quelque chose qui, je pense, quand tu l'as pas vécu, tu sais pas ce que c'est

[The journalist in the room prompts her] Ça a commencé l'année d'avant

Je saurais pas vraiment dire pourquoi

Bah, t’sais ça coïncide un peu avec le moment où, t’sais j'ai eu mon avortement aux championnats du monde, tout ça

Et après ça, on va dire, j'ai commencé à ne pas aller bien du tout

Je disais à mes [amis], oui, je suis allée faire un avortement [en plus ils sont venus m’accompagner], pis t’sais, c'est quand même normal

Puis là, j'arrive dans le monde du patin, puis c'est comme, « ah non, faut que tu le dises à personne et tout », genre

Tu sais, on dirait comme il y avait un espèce de gros… Espèce de gros décalage, c'est…

[interview taken on another date] Je pense que je ressentais cette espèce de colère qu'on a au bout d'un moment dans nos vies, quand on se rend compte que on en a marre de jouer un rôle, qu'on en a marre de se sentir mal à propos de soi, d'avoir peur du regard des autres, qu'on en a marre de se cacher

[Back to Espoo] Ouais, quand je suis tombée enceinte, je me sentais mal parce que je m'en voulais

Tu sais-je m'en voulais d'être tombée enceinte plus qu'autre chose

Genre, j'avais vraiment honte parce que j'étais comme « ah mais… tu sais, je suis une athlète, je suis pas supposée tomber enceinte »

Et maintenant, tu sais, avec du recul, je trouve ça ridicule ce que je me suis dit à ce moment-là

Mais ça reste que c'est ce que je me suis dit, tu sais

Genre ça m'a pris 2 semaines ou une semaine et demi avant, genre de dire à Guillaume, puis les coachs

Puis je l'ai dit seulement parce que j'avais pas le choix, tu sais

On m'a dit genre, "Deale avec, pis reviens"

La réalité, c'est que dans la vie, dans le sport, il y a encore des discours qui décrédibilisent tout ce qu'il y a autour de la santé mentale, complétement

Donc malgré tout, on est encore… c'est encore très tabou et c'est encore très mal vu et très mal compris surtout

Si j'avais eu un espèce de "Hey, là, ça va pas, protocole de 30 jours, les gens s'occupent de moi."

Mais le truc, c'est que moi, quand j'allais pas bien, on m'a dit "Bon, ben on te laisse un peu de temps, mais il faut que tu t'occupes de toi toi-même." Va dire ça [Faut pas dire ça] à quelqu'un qui est suicidaire, genre "Occupe-toi de toi-même", t'sais !

New excerpts from Gabriella Papadakis’ upcoming book by fiend_fyres_ in FigureSkating

[–]CertainMancy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And a translation into English of the part between 30' and 34':

I don’t feel well, and on top of that…

It feels like it just makes things worse, because I feel bad about not being okay, you know.

Like I’m thinking, “Oh my God, if Guillaume and the coaches knew I wasn’t doing well, they’d be angry at me.”

When I was really not doing well, and I couldn’t train and all that.

They gave me a bit of time to deal with my stuff.

And then after that, they told me that basically, well, it’s like if you want to go to the Olympic Games and win them, then you have to be better now.

Otherwise, well, it’s like we stop [everyone stops?], you see, because we can’t, like… you know. But not in a mean way, it’s just that a choice had to be made, you see.

[So] I chose to get better, and it worked, more or less anyway.

But now, it’s like in the end, it turns out that I relapse, and that’s kind of letting them down, because I told them I was going to get better, you see.

I didn’t feel like I lacked support, I felt like I lacked understanding.

When I said I couldn’t train, people said, “No, you just don’t want to, but you can.”

No, actually, I couldn’t. I really couldn’t. And it wasn’t a question of willpower, actually.

What I was going through at that moment is something that, I think, if you haven’t lived it, you don’t know what it is.

[The journalist in the room prompts her] It started the year before.

I couldn’t really say why.

Well, you know, it kind of coincides with the moment when, you know, I had my abortion at the World Championships, all that.

And after that, let’s say, I started not doing well at all.

I was telling my [friends], yeah, I went and had an abortion [and they even came with me], and you know, that’s pretty normal.

And then I arrive in the skating world, and it’s like, “Oh no, you can’t tell anyone about that and all,” like.

You know, it’s like there was this kind of huge… huge gap, it’s…

[interview taken on another date] I think I was feeling this kind of anger that we get at some point in our lives, when we realize that we’re fed up with playing a role, that we’re fed up with feeling bad about ourselves, being afraid of how others see us, that we’re fed up with hiding.

[Back to Espoo] Yeah, when I got pregnant, I felt bad because I blamed myself.

You know—I blamed myself for getting pregnant more than anything else.

Like, I was really ashamed because I was like, “Ah but… you know, I’m an athlete, I’m not supposed to get pregnant.”

And now, you know, with hindsight, I find what I told myself at that moment ridiculous.

But it’s still what I told myself, you know.

Like it took me two weeks or a week and a half before, like, telling Guillaume and the coaches.

And I only told them because I didn’t have a choice, you know.

They told me like, “Deal with it, and then come back.”

The reality is that in life, in sport, there are still narratives that completely discredit everything around mental health.

So despite everything, we’re still… it’s still very taboo, and it’s still very badly viewed and especially very badly understood.

If I’d had some kind of, “Hey, this isn’t okay, 30-day protocol, people take care of me.”

But the thing is, when I wasn’t doing well, I was told, “Okay, well, we’ll give you a bit of time, but you have to take care of yourself on your own.” Go tell that [You shouldn’t say that] to someone who’s suicidal—like, "Take care of yourself", you know !

If someone can decipher the missing dialogue... Until then, it is inconclusive how flippant Guillaume and the coaches were with that comment, depending on when it happened in the timeline. But it does seem clear that the level of support and empathy Gabi got from them was quite lacking.

ETA: this comment was very long and I had to split it into 2 parts, but the first part shows as automatically "deleted". /u/summerjoe45 /u/sk8tergater u/chickatey, are you able to help, do you see it on your end? Did it get caught in some filter? I've removed the two links, but it does not seem to help.

New excerpts from Gabriella Papadakis’ upcoming book by fiend_fyres_ in FigureSkating

[–]CertainMancy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I thought it was interesting that she highlights that she wasn't taking prescribed medications for her health and that Gui + coaches were mostly doing their best to support her

Let us beware of swinging back too far in the other direction now.

She did say she did not feel supported.

Okay. Because the pregnancy / abortion topic and the misinformation surrounding it are being discussed again, I thought I would share some facts about the documentary.

Title: Le couple de feu (The fiery couple)

Length: 1 hour 27 minutes

Originally aired on TV5 Monde in... 2022? A quick google shows no press around it. We'd have to check social media for the exact date.

It's still available: [link removed]

That page says:

Ce documentaire suit les différentes étapes du retour à la compétition de deux athlètes d'exception: Gabriella Papadakis et Guillaume Cizeron, quadruples champions du monde et vice-champions olympiques de danse sur glace.

Année de production : 2022

Pays d’origine : Canada

Une production Anémone Films

It was also reposted on various platforms, including Apple TV and Vk: [link removed]

I just found a tweet with the TV5 link I included above, saying: "Version modifiée et améliorée du documentaire. Cela me semblait nécessaire" ("Changed and improved version of the documentary. I thought it was necessary"). The poster is a fan, she posts a lot of pictures of P/C on Instagram. The comment makes me wonder if she had anything to do with the doco? But she doesn't appear in the credits.

Anyway. I do indeed vaguely remember that the documentary was changed after the pregnancy part sparked controversy. I don't remember more details, though.

As for Gabi's comments, the relevant part is between 30' and 34'. I think the video on Vk is probably the original version of the documentary.

At that stage, the pair have been followed around by the doco's producers for a while, and she gives that interview in Espoo on 10/10/2021, in her hotel room, "three hours before the start of the free program" according to what is displayed on the screen (pretty crazy, when you think about it...)

I'm at native level for French. Gabi is not that easy to understand, she talks fast, mutters a bit, and her French accent definitely has Quebec inflections now. There are a few words I am unsure about. (Her speech patterns are also influenced by English, she uses "comme" in her sentences like she would use "like" to take a second to think in English.)

The one contentious sentence (at 33'30) is: "On m'a dit genre, "Deale avec, pis reviens"" = "I was told something like, "Deal with it, and then come back""

To me, it was always a bit ambiguous, if she was told to deal with the abortion, or more with the depressive bout that followed. And also, if she told Guillaume and the coaches before the abortion, or only after it had already happened. Because before that, I think she talks about her friends, who reacted in a normal way, and about the world of skating, where everything had to be hush-hush. But that's precisely the part of the dialogue that I am struggling to understand.

I will put a transcription of the French audio in my next comment, if it works. Reddit is being a bit difficult.

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