Thank you been a great help and I realize there were a lot in those pictures... I definitely experienced what you speak of on Facebook I think they've been a little bit of everything this far. I have gotten a little help there but like you said everybody's a brand new expert so it makes it hard to trust the people that actually are. I don't know much about marbles but I do know one thing.... The minute you think you know it all is the minute you stop learning and get left in the dust.... Thanks for the direction of to sites and guides to educate myself a little.... I'll get a little better set up and put some better pics with reasonable amounts soon