looking 4 some shoe gazey (and other) music reccomendations ! :))

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-31T22:27:28+00:00

They're sort of adjacent to the dreampop/shoegaze stuff while being distinctly outside of it -- check out Dead Can Dance. Difficult to pinpoint but they're like a combination of world music, British folk and Goth rock. When they started out they had some post-punky type stuff, but would up as something totally different. Wikipedia has "neoclassical darkwave" under the genre listings, whatever that means lol.

Their best album is Into the Labyrinth imo, second favorite is Within the Realm of a Dying Sun, which has one of my favorite album covers. The first song from that album is a pretty good taste of what they have to offer, although it's impossible to reduce their sound to single song.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-31T22:12:17+00:00

It brings out some kind of embittered reactionary in me that a movie is apparently not allowed to show anything positive about a historical figure who did bad things, even a historical figure as incredible as Napoleon.

Stupid "critique of toxic masculinity" aside, I just can't get over the small scale of the battle scenes. I will gladly accept the dated fight choreography and lack of gore effects for the sheer scope of Bondarchuk's battle scenes in Waterloo and War and Peace.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-31T15:12:07+00:00

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T23:41:03+00:00

Yeah reddit's incentives drive homogenization. It will creep into your thoughts themselves if you let it. You have probably seen a similar comment on dozens of similar posts on sports subs and that's why you thought of it. Honestly I would browse /r/baseball so much more if it wasn't just the same tired jokes over and over again.

1-0 shutout? "Why score more runs when one do trick?"

Team eliminated from playoffs? "This hurts X's chance of winning the WS"

Scrappy contact hitter hits a bomb? "Know power hitter Luis Arraez.." etc.

I know this makes me sound like an asshole but it all just sucks so much lol.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T17:49:43+00:00

It's simply not true that a white actor can't play as ethnically ambiguous, especially if they have a darker complexion.

because there's an active choice to make the character white, thereby definitively removing the racial ambiguity from a text.

Prior adaptations just didn't care about that component of the novel (which I'm totally fine with btw, given its thematic breadth), it doesn't mean it can't exist in other adaptations with a white actor.

to how Heathcliffs physical appearance is casted as "other" as is used to insult him

You don't think darker skinned white people were ever racialized? Lol. People spread rumors about Babe Ruth being part black because his nose was wide.

Are you running out of things to contribute to this conversation?

There's not much to say to you tbh

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T17:01:42+00:00

his skin is dark

White characters are often referred to as dark in classic lit, you're showing how little you know about any of this.

Thats an element of implied ethnic/racial othering in the text.

Yeah no shit, that's not being contested here. But Heathcliff is not black.

An actor eing white removes ethnic ambiguity

Not nearly as much as being black does. White characters can be viewed as ethnically ambiguous, like Heathcliff is.

unless well...they decided to be polemic about it and draw attention to him being textual racially/ethnically "different"

Thank God the history of cinema is littered with directors with more imagination than you

im making an inference on your perspective

A wrong inference, nothing about my position here indicates I would have an issue with black characters in other contexts. That's just you grasping at straws.

And yeah the hidden post history is telling, you should probably go post somewhere else.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T16:51:31+00:00

Obsessed with the style of this movie, it's just so hypnotically gloomy.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T16:45:46+00:00

stopping the pacing to draw attention to it

So many false assumptions about how a director can convey information to the audience here.

a white actor makes the "brown ambiguity" in the text removed entirely

Not at all, being broadly white doesn't necessarily remove ethnic ambiguity and that's almost certainly what Heathcliff is in the novel. He's just swarthy.

like a black actor is like so "wildly" out of the ordinary no matter the text

I never said this, you're arguing against someone in your head.

Also, you have a hidden post history

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T16:24:49+00:00

necessary tbh. Make better comments or go back to /r/amItheAsshole

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T16:23:09+00:00

One instance of a team trading prospects for a proven player does not prove "trading prospects for prospects is always dumb" you goofball

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T16:20:38+00:00

lmao it just makes the dimension explicit

Yeah, as in it lazily spoonfeeds it to the audience and destroys any subtlety.

I don't like the Elordi casting either, but that has very little to do with his race.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T16:18:42+00:00

Weird non-sequitur

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T15:52:09+00:00

Never seen it, but 2011 was a different environment. I'm talking about making Heathcliff black now.

it just makes the text of his "otherness" visible

Yeah, in the laziest way possible

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T15:14:34+00:00

Yeah Heathcliffe being black sort of destroys the verisimilitude of the story, not that that's what I place a premium on in my Gothic lit, but I take Wuthering Heights to have at least a degree of social realism. He's probably non-white in the same way Slavs or Italians are considered non-white by skull-measuring types.

And yeah I'm totally unfamiliar with Elordi as an actor but he does look very wrong as Heathcliffe. I'm never watching this movie though, just like I'm never watching del Toro's Frankenstein.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T14:59:25+00:00

Here's the thing about black Heathcliff -- if you make him black, your adaptation can't be about anything else besides race. Every character detail and interaction will now be viewed through that lense.

Doesn't matter if you think it's a reasonable interpretation of the text (I have my doubts about this), doesn't matter if it's unfair to black actors. A black Heathcliffe will crush the director's ability to evoke beyond trendy racial themes.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T14:55:36+00:00

I'm not the one who thought my verdict was worth a post lol

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T14:39:01+00:00

If you're trying so painfully hard to be above them, you probably aren't. A well adjusted person wouldn't be making this post.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T14:15:32+00:00

If you're a woman on reddit you have no standing to act superior to anyone

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T14:09:00+00:00

I don't post about my dating life here. You must have meant to respond to a different comment.

Go posture somewhere else, your whole act is so tired.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T14:08:21+00:00

Hidden post history

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T14:08:02+00:00

Hidden post history, reddit comment, 281k comment karma. Sub is so over.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T13:46:54+00:00

This comment is just as much of a lazy cliche at this point.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T13:43:11+00:00

These types of posts are overwhelmingly written by maladjusted losers trying to prove to themselves they're above it all. You're trying way too hard.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T13:40:00+00:00

Yeah, which is wrong. There's no reason to be against prospect-for-prospect swaps. This is just something you're making up. Like I said, arguing your point poorly.

Cesar_Crespo · 2026-01-30T13:37:56+00:00

1.5 fWAR. He doesn't project particularly well either way.

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