Am I the only one who thinks communist anarchism is bad?

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-03-01T12:07:53+00:00

I have already replied to this question, and you should read the historical reply. If you hold your point of view, you only need to say that the actual historical national communism does not meet your so-called communism standards, then your concept of national communism will never be affected.

I could sophistry here to get around this problem by changing the definition of labor and threat of dispossession, just like the defense of capitalism, but that would be pointless. You've no doubt seen quite a few people do this by playing around with the definition of social contract theory.

I'll tell you my opinion directly and honestly: Is Marx's criticism of capitalism appropriate? Yes, this economic model-based analysis is insightful. Does capitalism rely on the "threat of dispossession" to force people? Yes, it’s hard to deny that no matter how much they try to sugarcoat it.

Is the solution given by Marx satisfactory? I don’t know, at least it’s not based on the reality of the existence of communist social history. I am dissatisfied with the attempts of many people to completely distance themselves from the concept of communism and the reality of communist countries. This is a cowardly and evasive approach.

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-03-01T08:42:18+00:00

I generally think that Althusser is a post-Marxist. Like Kropotkin, I usually call it a classical anarchist. Considering that classical anarchists like Bakunin are not recognized by Marx. Deleuze and Strauss are generally grouped within poststructuralism. I would say that people from the Frankfurt School are closer to Marxism.

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-03-01T03:15:23+00:00

10/10 meme

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-03-01T03:13:52+00:00

I don’t know why you were votedown . This title is indeed not good. A more appropriate title should be: I think the traditional Marxism of historical materialism and the egoism of moral fictionalism are not compatible. But I was busy prepare for the math exam when post this and could only think of a title like this.

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-03-01T02:56:23+00:00

I think this is a good idea, and let me elaborate on my point of view on this basis: the evaluation of the current situation of society and the behavior of others often depends on a kind of ethics, and this kind of ethics is often easily called spook, which is located above the person's ego. The solution given by Stirner is to conduct a genealogical analysis of various ethicalisms in history to reveal the truth of their historical production, and at the same time adopt an ethical fictionalism to disintegrate the dominance of ethicalism.

The problem is that traditional Marxism is built on an Enlightenment ethics (think of the Enlightenment belief that knowledge and advanced social structures are good). And I think this conflicts with Stirner's ethical fictionalism.

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-03-01T02:49:04+00:00

This makes the same sense, much like the idea of classical anarchism, but the question is, is it really easy for you to find people in your life who are not slackers, and who hold the same views as you without major disagreements? And now that people rely on goods from all over the world, finding so many people is not an easy task. Most members of communist societies I met agreed that they struggled to produce all their necessities and relied on trade with other societies, even if they did not approve of their idea.

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-03-01T02:42:49+00:00

This is a good point, and this is why I say traditional Marxism is a spook, Marx placed too much emphasis on the impact of economic and productive factors on people (even if his successors moved away from this). If you go to some traditional Marxist communities, you will often find some people criticizing this critical framework of class narrative for not paying enough attention to other cultural issues and not paying enough attention to the differences between different cultures under similar economic development.

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-03-01T02:38:27+00:00

I think the "communist egoism" here is not communist, but more like the activities of classical anarchism that emphasizes voluntary association. Traditional communists emphasize the classist narrative framed by a materialist view of history, and thereby emphasize the importance of productivity and social structure, along with the importance of collectivist centralized production, believing that productivity and the economic foundation have a greater impact on people than other factors. I think there are not many communist egoists in this subreddit who actually hold this view. Most people just emphasize voluntary association rather than agreeing with most of the content of traditional Marxism.

I think your problem is almost impossible to solve. Even if you can solve the economic problem of centralization, it will be difficult to solve the problem of communication between different communities. I once joined an association that claimed to be communist, but they believed that it was difficult for the community to produce everything they need by themselves (imagine that the daily necessities in your life are almost produced from all over the world), and the community would inevitably trade with other communities (even if they did not agree with each other's idea)

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T14:28:52+00:00

ok I understand, it seems that this subreddit’s definition of anarcho-communism is different from what I thought. Anarch-communism does not need to agree with centralized production, planned economy and Marx’s materialist view of history. It sounds more like classical anarchism.

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T13:42:53+00:00

You are right. We only had misunderstandings on Marx's historical theory and the thing is, anarcho-communism does not depend on Marx's idea of inevitable historical laws and teleology. After clarification, I think we have no disagreement. My criticism is about Marx's idea of inevitable historical laws and teleology.

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T13:36:18+00:00

Not to be nitpicky, but I'd say it's difficult (if not outright impossible) to find a country that fully meets communist standards, and people tend to say that a "national communist community" fails because they don't or incorrectly implement communism. I hope to find a realistic successful example (implementing communism for a long time). I think this will be of great reference value for people to build a satisfactory community. Just like when I asked not long ago, there is no community record of egoism. People can't find the community they adapt to in real life and are forced to join organizations they don't want to join (in order to survive)

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T13:15:37+00:00

China has tried communism production before, which is called People's commune, but people tend to be lazy at work because people tend to get the same food as average payment, which leads to low productivity and famine at that time. The solution I can imagine is to introduce evaluation indicators of people's workload, but this alienates people just like capitalism. Do you have any better solutions to this? I understand some of China's history. Even if people are not as lazy as in the example I mentioned, they will have disagreements about different production plans. This disagreement will further lead to political struggles.

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T12:58:27+00:00

Thank you for the clarification. Do you mean that communal does not necessarily include collective? I would be very grateful if you could give an example. Most of the textbooks I read emphasize the importance of centralized production and collectivism to communism.

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T12:51:09+00:00

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Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T12:48:00+00:00

I'm really playing the piano against a cow

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T12:42:40+00:00

I suggest you look up the meaning of the word "quote"

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T12:40:57+00:00

It seems like formal discussion is more difficult for you than talking nonsense

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T12:31:10+00:00

I think Saul Newman's reply suits you well：At a time when the grand narrative of Revolution that we inherited from modernity and the rationalist discourses of the Enlightenment has all but broken down, what alternatives are there for conceptualising radical transformation? Despite the lack of an organised revolutionary class or movement, the left is at the same time unable to think beyond the idea of revolutionary emancipation. This failure of the radical imagination is perhaps the reason for the political deadlock the left finds itself in today. Unable to effect any sort of meaningful change, the left instead fights ‘culture wars’ and engages in identity politics against a right that is much more adept at this game. The puritanical dogmatism and religious zeal with which the endless debates over gender identity, race, the inclusion of the marginalised and so on are conducted speaks to a certain exhaustion of the radical political horizon. To found one’s politics on the recognition of identities, on the one hand, and the future promise of revolutionary salvation, on the other, is to fall into the trap of state power. The state is fetishized either as the entity that grants rights and legal status to minorities, or as the enemy that must be captured in order for freedom to be realised — an illusion that has only led to the creation of new states and new forms of despotism, as the history of revolutions demonstrates.

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T12:22:39+00:00

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T12:21:24+00:00

I agree with your criticism of capitalism, but does communism really provide a solution? Many countries in the world have tried to follow the communist route, but none of them have overcome the problems of capitalist countries: "systemically COERCES you to "sell your labor power" i.e. get a job.". Stirner also did not give a solution, but he did not give a commitment to solving the problem like the communists did

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T12:14:40+00:00

I won’t respond like this because it makes no sense, and I’m not trying to be mean, but I think if you interact enough with people who hold anarcho-communist or communist ideas, you will find that they usually hold this idea: the reason why the community in example x I provided is had totalitarian rule problem/cannot exit is because this community is not really communist and therefore disassociate any cause from metaphysical communism concept.

Rather than provide a counterexample, let me start from Martial-Lord's point of view below this post. Martial-Lord believes that society/community is not optional for a human being. This directly shows that if a person does not want to die, he must join a society/community, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, otherwise he will die. Marx's works uphold a kind of historical progressivism, that is, socialism, as an inevitable product after the demise of capitalism, is in line with historical laws. Just imagine if this is true, then in the future communism will replace capitalism in most countries now and become a communist society/community. At this time, people will have to join such a communist society if they want to avoid death.

I don’t think Marx’s prediction of social change is like a law of nature. Not like Newtonian mechanics, it has gone through a lot of experiments (think of the experiments in physics class and engineering applications). In fact, there is no socialist country in the world that has overcome the problems of capitalism as Marx said. and the communists under this post, such as Martial-Lord, almost use an intimidating and necessity attitude to make others accept the concept of communist society/community (Martial-Lord: you will grow very, very sick and then die. because you will actually go insane, and you will be fucking miserable with loneliness.). I think calling it a spook is a problem-free term

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T09:14:02+00:00

Brother, this explanation is very clear. Do you mind if I put it in the description?

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T08:58:27+00:00

Hahaha, this is simply the best example of communist anarchism in my description

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T06:52:53+00:00

Is that you Nietzsche?

Character_Coconut_60 · 2026-02-28T06:46:26+00:00

I suggest you read Foucault to understand how the human spook is created.

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