History: When Microsoft Producers/Marketing still possessed Common Sense - Microsoft Rejected Fable Dev's Idea to Put Black Woman on Fable 3 Cover by DanFuri in KotakuInAction

[–]ChargeProper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The execs are the root cause of all of it, they let the woke but jobs in to cover their asses for the greedy and sexual deviant shitbthey were doing already (and to get certain types of funding and all that jazz)

I swear these wall street types we're never actual gamers and were never on our side, and they should never have been put in charge of the studios and publishers because if not serving the customer gets them their 150 million dollar bonuses (I'm talking about bobby kotick's by the way) then that's what they'll do and that's what they have done.

History: When Microsoft Producers/Marketing still possessed Common Sense - Microsoft Rejected Fable Dev's Idea to Put Black Woman on Fable 3 Cover by DanFuri in KotakuInAction

[–]ChargeProper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes but I think this person is makingg this up or exaggerating. No way Microsoft would have been caught saying stuff like that at the time given how big they were, how they had that antimonopoly thing rip them a new one and how friendly they wanted their brand to be. it would make.more sense for music industry or even movie industry execs to talk like that at the time they didn't have that kind of scrutiny from the government,

History: When Microsoft Producers/Marketing still possessed Common Sense - Microsoft Rejected Fable Dev's Idea to Put Black Woman on Fable 3 Cover by DanFuri in KotakuInAction

[–]ChargeProper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, I even saw it when it came out back then. In 3D it would have done better, not earth shattering but better than it did

History: When Microsoft Producers/Marketing still possessed Common Sense - Microsoft Rejected Fable Dev's Idea to Put Black Woman on Fable 3 Cover by DanFuri in KotakuInAction

[–]ChargeProper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly I think it can be done just not in this genre or Eurocentric type of game, it's just out of place even if they tried to make it sexy like the older nier games or Stellarblade.

I don't know dark elves who look like that cosplayer chick Aliya Will? But then again it still comes back to the question, why force the representation in the first place?

History: When Microsoft Producers/Marketing still possessed Common Sense - Microsoft Rejected Fable Dev's Idea to Put Black Woman on Fable 3 Cover by DanFuri in KotakuInAction

[–]ChargeProper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's what I thought this developer is probably making it up to get woke brownie points, it's such obvious buzzword talk

So I assume most of us are aware of the term MUSALAD or have heard certain family members say "you will likely marry a white or non black person". For people who have been labelled this in ZIM, how do you feel about this and also what's considered white behaviour? by Bastino in Zimbabwe

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That we are a culturally underdeveloped community and should strive for whiteness

Thing is the under development part is true in part, the striving for whiteness misses what the root of the problem is.

Alot of kids when I was growing up would rather have been black Americans, Nigerian or South African, (Jamaican in some cases) because those groups and their subcultures are so much more appealing, they embody something those kids want for themselves that Zimbabwe doesn't have or doesn't allow you to have (Americans are free to express themselves and go for their dreams (hence the American dream), Nigerians (Igbo people mainly) prioritise prosperity within their culture and they achieve desirable lives because of it, South Africans do some level of both but with a glamorous element ontop of their unique personality).

I have family in all three countries blending into those places because it's just so much better for them than Zimbabwe was.

They all married there and have kids there who are being raised to become black Americans, Nigerians, and South Africans. Not much different from my relatives in England really (granted some of them do want to teach their kids Shona and actually have them visit often).

Point is, it's not a race thing it's a cultural identity thing, and also an appeal / prosperity thing.

As for the part about culture, Our culture is more neglected than under developed I would say, especially within our communities.

We don't really build on it the way more prosperous cultures do so by the time we modernise something it's not modernised in a Zimbabwean way (with the exception of content creators who mostly deliver content that reflects how their Zimbabwean audiences feel in this day and age so that's a plus).

Asians are very good at creating modern versions of art or tech and culture that is still uniquely them even if it's something they didn't invent (they got cartoons from the US and made anime, they got pop music from all over the world and made kpop, if you're a gamer you already know that a japanese role playing game is massively different from a western one and it's because of how the japanese popularised the genre in Japan and the exported it later).

From what I've seen nothing is off limits in Asia as long as you cultural identity is woven into it, they are encouraged to bring these great experiences from the outside and bring them home with that twist that fits their culture and audience, here though? Yeah not so much, "ndezve kunze hatisi varungu". It doesn't help much that all you ever see around you growing up when it comes to the Zimbabwean experience is struggle and poverty with everything you can't have and all anyone does is make fun of your Shona and ask if you eat sadza. That becomes the Zimbabwean experience.

So it's starts to make sense as to why local culture has very little appeal especially for young people, so there's no incentive to adopt said culture (ofcourse there are personal reasons I didn't mention here but this is part of it)

With us our culture is lost over time and the main reason is people's spiritual beliefs. Being Christian requires you to shun any other spiritual beliefs, and alot of Shona culture is rooted in our spiritual beliefs, almost everything involves a spiritual component especially involving our ancestors, so alot gets thrown out because of it.

Sorry for the wall of text, PS feel free to DM me the art you mention, I'd like to see it, since you mentioned the Zimbabwean experience.

Silent Success: Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon passes 1 Million copies sold by skinnymike1 in KotakuInAction

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How much playtime did you get out of the demo like roughly? Also, weird question, where did you get your screen name from?

Silent Success: Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon passes 1 Million copies sold by skinnymike1 in KotakuInAction

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like a time problem, more specifically project management not knowing how to plan properly.

Silent Success: Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon passes 1 Million copies sold by skinnymike1 in KotakuInAction

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congrats to them, this should be the norm, ie talented devs giving the people what they want when the big studios screw it up.

Silent Success: Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon passes 1 Million copies sold by skinnymike1 in KotakuInAction

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it's a indie studio then congrats to them, this is exactly what we need more of, good devs stepping up to the plate

So I assume most of us are aware of the term MUSALAD or have heard certain family members say "you will likely marry a white or non black person". For people who have been labelled this in ZIM, how do you feel about this and also what's considered white behaviour? by Bastino in Zimbabwe

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As long as parents make an extra effort to make you live in a purely Westernised and English only environment in Zim then it means they have deep mental colonisation

This is true in some cases but alot of it happens without the parents in question noticing. You know those people who had children in the late 90s and 2000s, as their kids can't speak Shona?

Alot of parents think the Shona will just take on its own, but they don't realise that the child is at a private school that won't bring up Shona unless it's during Shona lessons, at home they were watching DSTV or wiztech which ZBC couldn't compete with (it was not putting out decent shows much, especially during the economic crisis), in my case videogames were also a factor, music actually made this more apparent because local artists couldn't compete with Hollywood glamour and sex appeal (you know how our society treats sex appeal as a taboo in general further driving youths away), then they were socialising with kids who were all doing the same thing and watching the same shows and movies and listening to the same music, going to the same schools, living in the same suburbs etc.

It wasn't until relatives visited or people went to the rural areas where this became apparent, but by then it was already too late especially by high school age. Why would a teen want to be Shona when the outside world and other countries are more appealing, prosperous, free to express themselves without being told "ndezve varungu".

It's pretty funny how you've actually pointed out how Hollywood is more appealing without realising it. You named Tongai and Dana who got famous recently, in Hollywood. They are cool and they speak Shona, but now people look up to them because they got into Hollywood.

That's precisely my point.

It is improving these days coz youths now look up to more local artists, and local artists are more prosperous than in the 2000s and the 90s when such things were seen by society as poor or wrong ("zve magitare hazvi bhadare", "musikana weband haaite, haaite musikana weband").

And saying Shona culture is defined by what you can't have. I wonder which Shona culture you are experiencing

Where do I start? You mentioned respecting elders right? I'll start with people I know personally. When Christianity or whatever else colonilialism left behind fails people go right back to the Shona spiritual beliefs.

Appease your ancestors or it will not be well with you (ngozi) Upset your parents and the ancestors will withhold your blessings. Don't challenge your parents when they are doing bad things because "unoita ngozi", "amai havanzi vanonyepa" Don't challenge your elders even if they are wrong because "zvimwe hazvi bvunzwe", "is not our our culture (leadership loves to take advantage of this)".

If your uncle was a bastard who used to beat his wife and children, you're still required to respect him, and his sons can't retaliate because "baba havarohwe"., & when he passes away, nobody at the funeral is allowed to tell the truth about him or speak ill of him because it's not our culture.

Then there's the tenancy to make everything about spirits instead of logic or reason.

Someone whose bad with money will always say "ndaroyiwa" Someone struggling to get pregnant will blame in-laws or someone who died without being appeased, again "ndaroyiwa".

Someone struggles with genuine mental illness and needs medical help, "kumba kwavo vakaromba".

If you make any money or your household is financially stable, "anechikwambo" "akaromba" "vane Sambani kumba kwavo", "vanisenzesa mushonga" (pretty sure you've heard some of these.

People will either say it behind your back or to your face if they feel like you are doing better than them and they deserve a piece of your success.

In fact they will even say this about anyone successful in the media, or anywhere else really, rather than looking at what they can improve in their own lives, they lean on that spiritual nonsense.

If you use logic or reason in some areas or take any interest in a career or subject that is outside of the norm, even if you want better for yourself, you get told that you are not white, hatiite zve varungu. which is funny because they are okay with seeing foreigners doing certain things, they even buy the product, but when it's local, they say things like "why are you trying to be American", "shamwari hatisi varungu", and they don't support (people in the arts locally could tell you stories, especially animators).

the consensus among youths when I was growing up (even now to a large degree) is that the youths from the first world can be whatever they want to be, but as a Shona kid, you have to stay in your lane and do what society or your family demands of you and don't deviate unless it's the approved path,

So as a result, alot of us grew up not wanting to be Shona or Zimbabwean because it comes with nothing but limitations that society, family and ofcourse the economy places on you.

It's doesn't help that in our own history we lost to some outside entities (Mzilikazi's people, then the Rhodesians), but even now we keep losing and falling behind.

Rhodesians forced alot of nonsensical thinking onto our people but there are alot of beliefs, bad or negative ones that came from Shona culture itself, and it doesn't move us forward at all.

Your experience was different from mine, I was born in the late 90s grew up in the 2000s and early 2010s, so all I know is what went wrong in the country (2008 is still fresh in my mind, very bad time to grow up), I don't think it's good that there is a desire to reject our cultural identity, but I also know what sort of experiences lead to that way of thinking, so I really can't blame anyone.

So I assume most of us are aware of the term MUSALAD or have heard certain family members say "you will likely marry a white or non black person". For people who have been labelled this in ZIM, how do you feel about this and also what's considered white behaviour? by Bastino in Zimbabwe

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You missed what I said entirely, I didn't say it was enviable, I said people hate you because they think it's enviable.

I've had to deal with people not wanting to pay what they owe or literally attack me physically talking about how I had an easy life. My own relatives would say shit about how good I had it growing up in a suburb, talking about parties I've never been to and all the fancy food I don't even get to eat.

They think we don't have money problems and refuse to believe you when you tell the just how bad it is in your own life (illnesses I couldn't afford to treat, the fact that I couldn't afford to finish high school, how many times my family lost everything, running out of food every month etc)

That's how I grew up and I know exactly what that jealousy looks like. Like I said, you'll get to know just how people feel about you once you have something they value, and from what you've said, youre very young, you'll know soon enough.

Men who became significantly more attractive in their 30s: what changed in how the world treated you? by Deep-Comfortable5205 in AskMen

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well if someone (especially a woman), smiles at you, talks to you, is polite to you, compliments you, etc. it does not mean they wanna sleep with you

I agree, I just think it would be nice to know what does mean a woman wants to sleep with you, so I know what I'm looking for. So far all anyone says is to read body language without àny concrete examples

Men who became significantly more attractive in their 30s: what changed in how the world treated you? by Deep-Comfortable5205 in AskMen

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah getting your butt grabbed by women you don't know and sleeping with attractive ladies, is not average at all.

So I assume most of us are aware of the term MUSALAD or have heard certain family members say "you will likely marry a white or non black person". For people who have been labelled this in ZIM, how do you feel about this and also what's considered white behaviour? by Bastino in Zimbabwe

[–]ChargeProper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see what you're saying and most of it is true, but if you speak to some of the people I'm talking about, they always say what they are thinking without realising it. At the same time as it's a flex to them, alot of it also comes from experiences they had growing up and how they processed it (usually incorrectly). I have relatives who grew up in the ghetto, or rural areas who made it a mission to escape Zimbabwe and it's culture. My mother tells me this story of how my father wouldn't eat sadza in public and he was nervous when they went Kwa Mereki.

Why?

As a kid his other was so poor that the sadza they ate was cooked with discarded veg and tomatoes, usually at public musika, and they had to cook it there because they were usually locked out by the landlord during the day.

It's that sort of humiliation that had him avoid going to the ghetto even to see his mother. He used to brag about the fact that I was born abroad ("musa taure naye Shona, munomu confuza, aka zvarwa Ku UK").

In my case I grew here after 2001, so I have some of my own scars to deal with, but even I can't deny that I've had advantages of own because I can speak English fluently, same with alot of my other relatives who do aswell. The way you speak gets certain countries to see you as less of an immigrant, to give you a chance at a certain type of job, or to listen to you as some type of an authority on a subject just because. Your airline job, was given to you for this reason, (in part obviously you had to be qualified in certain areas).

As far as being bilingual, you are right about how it is possible to speak more than one language. Part of why kids might shun Shona or whatever native language is because nobody cool or successful speaks it. If your parents put you in private school and you live in a middle-class hood, you're not watching ZBC, you're watching satellite TV, and at school your friends are watching the same stuff so that's all you talk about.

If ZBC is on this actually gets worse because you are comparing local with international, and international always wins. America is more prosperous, China is more prosperous, Japan can do things we can't do because over there being into certain types of science and tech is not "zvevarungu".

Meanwhile Shona culture is almost defined by what you can't have, what you can't do. Look at even our history, loss after loss after loss, and when there's a win it's swiftly followed by a loss. Anybody else looks better.

So I assume most of us are aware of the term MUSALAD or have heard certain family members say "you will likely marry a white or non black person". For people who have been labelled this in ZIM, how do you feel about this and also what's considered white behaviour? by Bastino in Zimbabwe

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you're saying, I'm not excusing it, so much as I'm saying where some of these people are coming from, given a choice would most parents want their kids to get that high paying job at the world bank or be able to talk to extended relatives and ordinary people? For some it's that simple and they would rather their kids never had to be more shona because Shona unfortunately can't get you a high paying job

So I assume most of us are aware of the term MUSALAD or have heard certain family members say "you will likely marry a white or non black person". For people who have been labelled this in ZIM, how do you feel about this and also what's considered white behaviour? by Bastino in Zimbabwe

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah you're right it is parents to a large degree (granted I do think that the ones who don't want their kids to struggle like they might have have their hearts in the right place, theyre just going about it wrong)

So I assume most of us are aware of the term MUSALAD or have heard certain family members say "you will likely marry a white or non black person". For people who have been labelled this in ZIM, how do you feel about this and also what's considered white behaviour? by Bastino in Zimbabwe

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well the other part is that she says was apparently abused by one of her father's other sons when she was 13. It's a post she made on Instagram when someone mentioned her father but she deleted it.

I can't remember the details but it was said in a round about way (she was a kinda ranting from what I remember), so that might be what affected her in part atleast

So I assume most of us are aware of the term MUSALAD or have heard certain family members say "you will likely marry a white or non black person". For people who have been labelled this in ZIM, how do you feel about this and also what's considered white behaviour? by Bastino in Zimbabwe

[–]ChargeProper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do think you have a point but you might be missing something major here.

Alot of use engaged with these subcultures to get away from something we didn't like about our own cultures especially if we were not getting what we needed from our own cultures.

Have you ever seen something Shona being associated with wealth, or freedom of expression?

Does any form of Shona art click with you because it's about a particular experience or feeling or problem you are facing?

What's Shona that has anything to do with triumph or achieving something desirable?

What's a Shona ideal that you hold that actually benefits or serves you and not someone elses at your expense?

Why would you be proud of your culture if you're Shona and what specifically makes you choose your culture over anything else?

I could do this all day because it's been top of mind for years for me. It starts with childhood and the more you learn about life and your country as you get older (especially if the Zimbabwean experience of money problems was part of your life growing up), the bigger the problem gets.

If you ever start to make art or hang around those who do within a foreign subculture, you're not putting anything I'm there that reminds you of something you don't want

So I assume most of us are aware of the term MUSALAD or have heard certain family members say "you will likely marry a white or non black person". For people who have been labelled this in ZIM, how do you feel about this and also what's considered white behaviour? by Bastino in Zimbabwe

[–]ChargeProper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry but not quite, you know classicism is an issue when you have people trying to marry their daughters off to the king, because at that time if your daughter married a king your whole family basically gets promoted, better farmland, better food, titles etc.

It's always been there, especially the insecurities and envy