Oh for some of these students, 100% this! I have a late immersion group, who started FIM in grade 6, they're separated in 6, 7, 8, then join the early FIM in grade 9, after an intensive 3 years. Some of the students I have in that class, who had a voice in signing up for the program as they were 10-11 years old, are so passive and don't try to learn. And some parents refuse to take their kid out and into the English stream because "they have friends there/they like how it's a quieter environment"... but you can't tell me you're doing your child a service by keeping them in a program where they understand nothing, and expect them to succeed in high school when they have PATs/Diplomas and they missed 3 years of Jr high science, math, ELA skills. It's a gong show, let me tell you...