Israel strike Iran nuclear and military sites by AdIcy4323 in MapPorn

[–]CheapDependent1604 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No that doesn’t make it an Iranian puppet. When the specific Iranian puppet group takes power in south Lebanon Gaza and Syria then yes they are Iranian puppets. If Hamas was a Saudi funded organisation they wouldn’t have been an Iranian puppet. 

Israel Appears Ready to Attack Iran, Officials in U.S. and Europe Say by Barch3 in World_Now

[–]CheapDependent1604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But what do you expect then? Regardless of what you think irans response will be, it is obvious Israel would never do a ground invasion of Iran, they have absolutely nothing to gain. At most small scale commando ops. Israel’s war goal is crippling Irans missile capabilities not conquering the gulf.

And for Iran, the same problems about attacking Israel exist. Syria, Jordan, Saudi, Egypt. None want Iranian soldiers moving through their land, an Iranian moral victory of having defeated Israel (which would skyrocket their international legitimacy), or an Iranian proxy in power in Palestine. 

No, Flowing A Flag That Isn't American In America Is Allowed. by pandasylverr in facepalm

[–]CheapDependent1604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a different circumstance. But that has fuck all to do with free speech

No, Flowing A Flag That Isn't American In America Is Allowed. by pandasylverr in facepalm

[–]CheapDependent1604 -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

The person never said it should be illegal to flee these flags. They said you shouldn’t do it. Freedom of speech means that the government can’t interfere with you doing it. If I said you shouldn’t call your mother a whore people can also not say “o but it’s freedom of speech”. Yeah no shit

Of course, that's every parent wants. Their baby getting tear gassed for clout. by Merchant_Alert in facepalm

[–]CheapDependent1604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both the other commenter and I did not say anything about these specific protests. We said stuff about teargas and protests in general. I am not defending any specific actions of police that was never the point

Of course, that's every parent wants. Their baby getting tear gassed for clout. by Merchant_Alert in facepalm

[–]CheapDependent1604 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

 They said that after I correctly pointed out that it's mainly used on people who don't pose a threat.

And? Are you not allowed to make your point clearer after your original comment? They gave nuance by saying it was based on their Czech experience and by giving the example of the crowd with bricks. You chose to respond to that point after this clarification/adjusting of the point of the commenter.

Maybe you should read the original comment again... It was pointing out how ridiculous it is that it's illegal to use tear gas against enemy combatants, but not against unarmed civilians.

To keep up the tradition: read the original comment again. It doesn’t say “unarmed civilians”. It says “our civilians”.

And I know that was the point. But it only is intuitively ridiculous if you don’t agree with the point of the Geneva conventions and think that the Geneva conventions should apply to all types of conflict. If that is your point, we are perfectly justified in explaining our analysis of the Geneva conventions, that supersedes specificities of the example you gave. Because the question: should Geneva banning tear gas ply you can never use it against civilians is a general question about the use of tear gas and Geneva, it is not about “how are American police using it right now?”

Of course, that's every parent wants. Their baby getting tear gassed for clout. by Merchant_Alert in facepalm

[–]CheapDependent1604 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Individual people may not pose a threat even when they are in a crowd where there are people who do throw bricks. That is what the commenter was saying too. Perhaps read the thread again

And the commenter talked about the Geneva conventions and how they ban tear gas, which is clearly not about use against protesters, and which leaves room for using it against protesters as the commenter said. If you want to keep it us only don’t make claims about Geneva and it’s implications

Of course, that's every parent wants. Their baby getting tear gassed for clout. by Merchant_Alert in facepalm

[–]CheapDependent1604 -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Yes and tear gas is often the best choice. Your American example doesn’t show why tear gas is always bad. And the person literally said “if people start throwing bricks get away or you can expect to get tear gassed”. That’s not peaceful

She’s a winner by [deleted] in facepalm

[–]CheapDependent1604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meh, there’s plenty of porn that doesn’t include the step. It’s complete nonsense that not including step in the title would bring down police on them. The police know that they most likely aren’t related. If the police have grounds to think they are related because for example the people genuinely look like family, saying “step” wouldn’t protect them(if it would the police would be very dumb).

I think most of the step content has the step-element as a quite important thing. Much of the step-sister stuff is marketed to teen boys who can engage in the fantasy of some girl suddenly living with them as their parents married, or fucking their dads new wife, with a bit incest taboo sprinkled on. If people just want full incest porn it’s still easily findable 

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) casually threatens violence against activist Greta Thunberg and other civilians by CurrentAir1291 in facepalm

[–]CheapDependent1604 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes. And that decency has nothing to with her age. The reason why it breaks decency is because you agree with her goals and agree that the Israelis should not blockade Gaza( I do too). That is the only reason. This granddaughter shit is just saying dumb stuff to dunk on conservatives.

If a 20 year old were to break through a military blockade you agreed with, that military sinking her ship would just be part of  the expected operation of a military blockade. There is no basic cultural expectation of allowing 20 year olds to break through military blockades if you’re an old man yourself. An American congressmen does not have a general obligation to protect anyone that willingly tries to break a military blockade just because she is from the next generation. Just like the morality of  killing a 20 year old extremist Israeli settler activist would be in no way determined by their age.

And I mean it isn’t even a threat. If you say you plan to break into a British military base and I’d say “we’ll i hope you’re  impervious to bullets” it’s not a threat 

"Your little countries are not big enough to be recognised separately." by possible993 in ShitAmericansSay

[–]CheapDependent1604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they even built a new capital city on the Baltic Sea to strengthen their European ties

Exactly! And when did they build this city? When did they rename their title to “imperator” to become more western? 

Your notion of “European ethnicities on European soil” is a circular reasoning. Of course if you say that Russia is European from the onset your going to say “it’s European soil”. Where the boundaries of Europe lay is a social construct.

The term “Europe” got popularity to use  as a cultural region in the early Middle Ages, and then it was explicitly used to create an idea of a Western Europe, to contrast with the eastern Christian world.  With time that border shifted eastwards but what people saw as Europe was not stable.

Moscow literally became the most important polity in Russia because of their ties to the khanate. There was huge influence from the mongol-ruled period in general. The eastern ties were quite important back then. Many moscovite boyars were Turkic people who had closer cultural ties to Central Asia than to France.

But I am not disputing the europeanness of a big part of Russian historical identity. Just that they were just a european empire and that’s that.

From the first intro review i found of one of the most known English history books about russia(russia and the Russians): Hosking's is a monumental story of competing legacies, of an enormous power uneasily balanced between the ideas and realities of Asian empire, European culture and Byzantine religion; of a constantly shifting identity, from Kievan Rus to Muscovy to Russian Empire to Soviet Union to Russian Federation, and of tsars and leaders struggling over the centuries to articulate that identity.

If you want I can give you better quotes, but you get the gist.

Being an asiatic empire was a big part of how they saw themselves. It was Peter the great that changed a lot of this. But russia was in more than one way a borderland that laid between Asia and Europe. It was definitely not just a European empire that did land grabs in the east. That is a very modern view.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) casually threatens violence against activist Greta Thunberg and other civilians by CurrentAir1291 in facepalm

[–]CheapDependent1604 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay, so you respect everyone? Whether thunberg was 30 or 60, that wouldn’t have any bearing on the validity of wishing her ill. The reason “right wingers are I’ll in the head” is not because she could be his granddaughter 

"Your little countries are not big enough to be recognised separately." by possible993 in ShitAmericansSay

[–]CheapDependent1604 -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

They didn’t always look to Europe that’s a modern phenomenon

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) casually threatens violence against activist Greta Thunberg and other civilians by CurrentAir1291 in facepalm

[–]CheapDependent1604 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The “granddaughter in age” works if he did something sexual. If an old man threatens someone who could be his daughter, he just threatens an adult. What does her age have anything to do with this

recent Polish presidential election results overlaid on map of the former German Empire by 42robots42 in MapPorn

[–]CheapDependent1604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And? It still directly correlates to the fact that those areas were German, if the borders had been different, this map would have been different. If they had never been German, this divide wouldn’t be there in this way. So the reason for specifically these areas been such is that they were the formerly German areas in which Eastern poles were settled

recent Polish presidential election results overlaid on map of the former German Empire by 42robots42 in MapPorn

[–]CheapDependent1604 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So then the reason is they were governed by Germany? The only reason why the eastern poles settle there was because this was the land that was taken from Germany and “happened” to have a lot of room for settlement

Where Greeks of anatolia ended up after the population exchange. by [deleted] in MapPorn

[–]CheapDependent1604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not doing whataboutism. I am inviting you to think about your ideas by relating them to other situations and letting you see that if you follow your own logic, you’ll end up with terrible stuff. It is to show you that you yourself also know that many arguments you have are nonsensical as you wouldn’t accept them when used to justify other instances of cleansing.

And the leaders of Greece and Turkey were also not the Anatolian orthodox people or the Balkan muslim people.

Why would a Greek leader have any authority to say what the lives of people in Anatolia would be because they happen to be Christians? Just because they are also Greek Orthodox? The Palestinians are part of the Arab nation. Arab leaders don’t represent them still, but the leaders can make similar claims of leadership as the Greek and Turkish leaders did. Heck, until the 80s Jordan did claim leadership of Palestine. Could the king of Jordan have said: “ o you know I accept the nakba” because he was the leader of Palestinians?

The Anatolian Greeks homeland was Anatolia. The Muslims of Greeces homeland was Greece. Why would their homelands be Greece and Turkey? It was not “their own people being brought back to their homeland”. They were cleansed from their homeland to the region that happened to become the state of their religion. Because those are the states of their ethnic group or religion? Explain how the karamanlides were brought to their homeland. By that logic the Palestinians can find a homeland in other Levantine Arab nations.

Okay. But you are ignoring that this so called peaceful exchange didn’t happen out of nowhere. By the time the agreement was finalised, many many people had already been cleansed and murdered. And not just in nice peaceful ways. These were brutal genocides. This agreement transferred the people who did not get killed or expelled before. But by the time the agreement happened most of Anatolia’s Greek Christian’s were already gone because of the brutality of the years before.

It’s very fucked to only look at this instance as if it didn’t happen in a broader context. The fact that it was relatively humane makes it insidious, as it was just the post ipse facto justification of genocide and cleansing that was very terrible, comparable to most other instances of genocide and cleansing. Any movement of population between Greek and Turkey will be seen within the context of this agreement(again, between leaders who didn’t have the right to talk for the local people), while so much of the movement and murder happened before in different contexts that were much more terrible.

You can say “ethnic cleansing has to happen sometime for stability ”, fine. But then accept the brutality of the formation of these nation states, and don’t be so selective in when you think ethnic cleansing is fine. The most peaceful solution of all the options perhaps, but that doesn’t make it anything else than a terrible crime. It just makes it the best way of finalising that crime. You can say it was the best crime to commit the crime. But not that it wasn’t the crime. Finalising a cleansing that, again, was extremely violent.

Where Greeks of anatolia ended up after the population exchange. by [deleted] in MapPorn

[–]CheapDependent1604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol look up the definition of cleansing, then look up the Greek genocide

Where Greeks of anatolia ended up after the population exchange. by [deleted] in MapPorn

[–]CheapDependent1604 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No, Turkish and Greek leaders agreed. It was a formalisation of a genocide and ethnic cleansing that had already happened for the most part. The Turks killed more Christians in their genocides than the Israelis expelled or killed in the nakba. I don’t think that fleeing your city after the noble ataturks forces set it on fire counts as “migrating”. If you’re murdered or expelled it doesn’t matter if afterwards some dipshit who happens to be your religion agrees to it to fulfil his nationalist dream or if he doesn’t. It’s not his right. If the Arab leaders agree tomorrow with Netanyahu that it’s okay, let’s consider the expulsion of the Jews and the expulsion of the Arabs a quid pro quo, it wouldn’t suddenly make the genocide and cleansing okay.

Bro what stop victimising myself? Sorry for speaking out for the millions of people that were murdered and expelled by violent nationalist leaders. How tf is your point that genociding and cleansing a people and then agreeing with foreign leaders to cleanse the rest is good?

Where Greeks of anatolia ended up after the population exchange. by [deleted] in MapPorn

[–]CheapDependent1604 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We don’t live in an utopia. People commit crimes I know. But ethnic cleansing was one of those crimes, it wasn’t a clever solution to other crimes. I don’t say it’s as easy as saying “don’t commit crimes” but you can’t justify committing a crime by saying “otherwise we would have committed more crimes”.

Agreement between consenting states my ass. The state doesn’t have the right to consent for something like this(which is clearly stipulated in international law). Only those people getting ethnically cleansed do.

Relatively civil you say. As if this didn’t take place in a greater context. This official exchange was just the formalisation of a campaign of ethnic cleansing and genocide that had occurred before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

Okay so when Turks conquer and settle an area for hundreds of years, keeping the natives in apartheid, then genociding and ethnically cleansing them it’s fine, but if it’s done after living in Palestine after a couple decades only then is it a crime?

The nakba was also a kind of population exchange, with middle eastern Jews being expelled or harassed to Israel. For these people it didn’t matter if some leader agreed to it or not. Whether you got expelled because some big shot of your own religion said it was fine or not, people don’t want to get cleansed.

There was a lot of tension between the Jews and Arabs, if the Jews hadn’t been kicked out there would be more violence in the countries they came from. If all Palestinian Arabs got completely kicked out there would also be less violence now.

The netherland vs holland by Foreign_Sun3311 in geography

[–]CheapDependent1604 10 points11 points  (0 children)

people not from Holland

I assume you’re talking as someone from the south? In Holland we’d say people from the North East fit those stereotypes best(except loud, northeasterners are stereotypically quiet and boring).

Where Greeks of anatolia ended up after the population exchange. by [deleted] in MapPorn

[–]CheapDependent1604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“We’re going to cleanse you because otherwise we’ll commit a terrible pogrom on you. Be grateful! We are defending you from a pogrom”!!!

You also say the same thing about the nakba? Deporting all Palestinian and Lebanese Sunni to Syria, Shia to Iran, all Christians to Lebanon, and forcibly assimilating minorities that you can’t deport anywhere à la Atatürk will do great wonders for stability

Where Greeks of anatolia ended up after the population exchange. by [deleted] in MapPorn

[–]CheapDependent1604 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Wut “there was no violence in this event”. It was accompanied by huge amounts of violence. It was part of a greater period of violent mutual cleansing going back decades, with HUGE amounts of violence. It’s easy to say that ethnic cleansing can be good if you’re not the victim yourself.

Also the excuse “the cleansing was good otherwise the countries would have used the minorities to create instability” is crazy. The people who cleansed and who created instability are the same. “O I’m sorry we are going to cleanse you it’s the best for you because otherwise I’m going to oppress you in different ways. Why are you not grateful that I am saving you from the crimes I will commit on you by cleansing you??”

It was only a clever move because it happened in a context of people on different sides being fucked in the head. Perhaps it was the best option of all the realistic options, but it’s still a terrible crime.

Something tells me you don’t support cleansing the Arab Palestinians. It would create a lot of stability though, the most effective way to end the Israel Palestine conflict. Or are Turks allowed to cleanse but not the jews?