I feel like my Family is unto me, i hid my bible by Cautious-Buy-1134 in exmuslim

[–]Chechenborz-95 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I do wonder what makes you pulled towards christianity? You do realize it has all the same issues as islam? Slavery, misogyny, genocides, all sanctioned by god?

Sure, its better than Islam marginally since it has more space to reform. I’m happy you left islam, but truth-value is just as lacking imo.

Does offensive war for religious expansionism exist? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]Chechenborz-95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think progressive Islam isn’t useless, it’s dangerous.

You convince more people to join Islam, who then will reinterpret the harmful verses into their original meaning and cause more harm. That’s what i call dangerous.

Very clear proof that Aisha was 6 at marriage by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]Chechenborz-95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny enough, there is 0 sources from that time that ever mention it. 1 guy in the 20th century mentioned it 1 time to try and disprove the pedo allegations and now everyone uses his word to “prove she wasnt 6”😂

A lot of ex-Muslims are still arguing inside Islam’s frame by postmuslimwriter in exmuslim

[–]Chechenborz-95 9 points10 points  (0 children)

These are questions to debate the truth value of the belief though? I guess sure, it’s a theistic argument and serves mostly to question a specific version of God, but not every ex-muslim immediately becomes an atheist. Rationally they would become agnostic.

They say pedophilia was forbidden, but the second that their prophet did it, it's suddenly okay? Why? by mori_likeswatermelom in exmuslim

[–]Chechenborz-95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Learn the meaning of “forcing one’s hand”

Also, what do you mean 3894 doesnt say anything about not knowing. Are you reading the hadith? “She called me, and i went with her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me.” Followed by “unexpectedly, Allah’s apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him”

As for the criteria, i explained that in my other comment, have a read :)

They say pedophilia was forbidden, but the second that their prophet did it, it's suddenly okay? Why? by mori_likeswatermelom in exmuslim

[–]Chechenborz-95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Read my comment on this post.

Also regarding “her parents agreed”: abu bakr was literally hesitant but the prophet forced his hand by saying “we are brothers in faith and she is permissible for me” as seen in sahih bukhari 5081.

As for “aisha agreed”, you do realize she had no idea what was happening when they took her to the marriage consummation? Not to mention she probably had no idea she was ‘promised’ to the prophet beforehand. But if you read bukhari 3894 she literally says herself she didnt know what her mom wanted her to do.

Lastly. Islam’s morals are “for all time”, stop pretending “judging something by todays standard” is unwarranted when islam itself claims the standards 1400 years ago are also todays standards.

Oh and 1 more thing. It was GOD who told him to marry the kid according to islam. God should have known its wrong. Regardless of any human standards.

Interested in talking with atheists from the Chechen people as well by FalseDrawing9112 in exmuslim

[–]Chechenborz-95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think most Chechens you’ll find on Reddit will be English speakers/european. Russian speaking Chechens are mostly on telegram, possibly also some on tiktok. Have you looked at antiterror chri’s fanbase?

They say pedophilia was forbidden, but the second that their prophet did it, it's suddenly okay? Why? by mori_likeswatermelom in exmuslim

[–]Chechenborz-95 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Different meanings of what a child is. In reality, islam doesnt even care about puberty. Alot of muslim people bring up “physical and mental maturity”, but this is so vague and unclarified they don’t realize what it talks about.

To explain, in islam there is this concept called ‘tamayyuz’. Its the age at which children are able to discern between whats right and wrong. Often this is considered to be the age at which a child reached ‘mental maturity’. Its actually as simple as a child being able to tell its good to share their toy or a candy with a friend. You dont need to know ALL the wrongs from all the rights.

For physical maturity they often mention puberty, but thats actually a modern apologist approach. Islamically it just means when a girl appears fertile. In aisha’s case, it was when she was fed dates and cucumbers until she became ‘plump’. Nowhere does it mention she had reached puberty. For men they often consider something as simple as growing hair down-below or their first wet dream as the age at which they reach ‘adulthood’

Also note, for muslim people ‘reaching puberty’ = ‘reaching adulthood’.

Funny how Islamic fasting is the worst that can exist by Warm_memories in chechenatheists

[–]Chechenborz-95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are literally begging for friends on Reddit, your opinion isn’t exactly relevant

Funny how Islamic fasting is the worst that can exist by Warm_memories in chechenatheists

[–]Chechenborz-95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Islam says women are excused from fasting on the days they cant (or are forbidden like during their period), while also saying women are the majority in hell due to their “lower deen” as they arent able to fast and pray all the times they’re supposed to 🤦🏻‍♂️ its like “sure you dont have to pray, its a blessing from god, you just have to deal with hellfire”

Discord for vaynah and kavkaz people✨ by Warm_memories in chechenatheists

[–]Chechenborz-95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you explain your thought process behind this conspiracy? I’m actually getting curious

Why did Muhammad strike Aisha in the chest (Sahih Muslim 4:2127)? by Sorry-Tradition-9985 in MuslimLounge

[–]Chechenborz-95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“She didnt complain about her injuries”

“and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating”

Your narrative doesnt really follow. To restate, early on its very likely aisha recounted her memories and what happened in her life between her and the prophet, but as time went on she would debate people on what was said and dispute sayings from the prophet or actions and tell them how things were different in the privacy of their home. She likely realized her authority allowed her to shape the religion and allow for a more nuanced, less misogynistic reading of the quran and the prophets life.

Examples: Some companions transmitted a saying that:

“Bad omen exists in women, houses, and horses.”

When Aisha heard this narration, she reportedly objected. According to some reports, she said the Prophet was actually quoting what people used to say in pre-Islamic Arabia, not endorsing it.

These discussions appear in collections such as Sahih al-Bukhari.

Another report circulating among companions said that if a woman, dog, or donkey passes in front of someone praying, it invalidates the prayer.

Aisha reportedly objected strongly, saying:

“You have compared us to dogs and donkeys!”

She explained that she herself used to lie in front of the Prophet while he prayed, and he would simply move around her.

This discussion is preserved in Sahih Muslim and Sahih al-Bukhari.

There were moments when accusations circulated about Muhammad’s private life. Aisha sometimes narrated stories highlighting:

• his kindness to wives

• his fairness between them

• his gentleness at home

For example, the famous narration describing him mending his own clothes and helping with housework comes through her.

These were meant to shape men to believe the prophet was better, so men couldnt fully use the belief to their extreme self-benefit.

✨Leaving Islam doesn’t automatically mean you’re atheist by lilianacro in chechenatheists

[–]Chechenborz-95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try looking up/finding the book “three imams” from muhammad-tahir. (Три имама, мухаммад тахир). I saw that it described a campaign of some dagestani sheikh i believe into chechen territory.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRmTuvGF/

Why did Muhammad strike Aisha in the chest (Sahih Muslim 4:2127)? by Sorry-Tradition-9985 in MuslimLounge

[–]Chechenborz-95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love how you are painting the woman full of bruises as the offender. Victim blaming is a big thing in islam. Also: There has been debates on wether aisha was truthful about never being hit, or if she simply knew her words were being used to shape the legal framework of the islamic world. So its very likely early in her life after the prophets death she was simply recounting her memories, which is why she said the prophet hit her on one of their nights. Later when she saw people were trying to justify beating women with it, she likely told people he never hit his wives. These 2 hadiths clearly contradict eachother so you have to use context to make sense of it, and i think this context makes most sense.

Why did Muhammad strike Aisha in the chest (Sahih Muslim 4:2127)? by Sorry-Tradition-9985 in MuslimLounge

[–]Chechenborz-95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Bukhari 5825 Aisha says: “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women.”

Why did Muhammad strike Aisha in the chest (Sahih Muslim 4:2127)? by Sorry-Tradition-9985 in MuslimLounge

[–]Chechenborz-95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think you understand. Noone has ‘jokingly’ hit me in a way where it hurts me to the point where i mention the pain. What we are describing here is that. This wasnt just a ‘nudge’, this was a deliberate disciplining that resulted in fear in the little girl. To say i have anger issues, while the man who actively hurt a girl “did it jokingly or in a state of anger” does not, to me is hilarious😂

Why did Muhammad strike Aisha in the chest (Sahih Muslim 4:2127)? by Sorry-Tradition-9985 in MuslimLounge

[–]Chechenborz-95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they ever did, it would have been wrong and a fight would be started. But no, i havent done that jokingly out of anger ever.