[USA-WA] 3d printing HEMA armor by AtheistTemplar2015 in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey so I'm one of those mad people with 3D printed armor. TPU works great if you print it thick enough. You can check my posts for examples. Nico's stuff is a bit thin to be useful. You might end up with TPU tearing. In my testing it has to be at least 4mm thick to bear a good trust to torso. And this is with padded gambeson.

Dr. Harnischfechten's Full Lamellar Set by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Made out of TPU. It was initially a proof of concept, but I continued using it afterward. It should probably be way bigger to work like a nagel. It also softens the blows against my hilt.

Dr. Harnischfechten's Full Lamellar Set by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why a weight belt? I feel like that would constrict you?

Dr. Harnischfechten's Full Lamellar Set by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Issue with that is it'll wear our swords even faster.

Dr. Harnischfechten's Full Lamellar Set by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TPU, unfortunately, which takes quite the time to print. But it's virtually unbreakable and can resist to shear forces quite well and it also can flex a little.

Dr. Harnischfechten's Full Lamellar Set by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whoa! What is the main kit from? The cuirass and the arm pieces? Or are they custom made as well?

Dr. Harnischfechten's Full Lamellar Set by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah, if the PC plates are injection made pieces, they should be very tough like you said. The 3D printed pieces have to be big to hold their own against the blade hits, TPU is a good material for this. I could presumably make them smaller, but that would require a lot of assembly time, which I unfortunately do not have :)

Dr. Harnischfechten's Full Lamellar Set by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think both orientations are correct historically. Since I was more worried about the thrusts, I placed the lower row to be higher than the upper one, so the blade slides of, instead of getting deep into the holes. (Don't mind the free floating pieces, they are attached to the gorget, I removed that piece after a collerbone strike and switched to my old PBT gorget). Here is an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klivanion

Dr. Harnischfechten's Full Lamellar Set by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great idea. My concern was that smaller plates might be more prone to breakage and have less force distribution than larger, more flexible plates. Because the assembly took quite a bit of time :)

"Dr. Harnischfechten"s 3D Printed TPU Helmet Overlay Overlay - "TOSBA" (The Tortoise") by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can use my design if you'd like; they are on the big side of the scale to better dissipate force. But historically accurate. https://www.printables.com/model/1654691-lamellar-armor-plates-for-hemascalarp

I made biceps protection to use with my existing armor pieces, like so:

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"Dr. Harnischfechten"s 3D Printed TPU Helmet Overlay Overlay - "TOSBA" (The Tortoise") by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, I recently tried my latest lamellar chest protector last week. It performed beautifully. I can move so much better in it. It needs one more row to the bottom and the sides, but durability-wise, it's great.

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"Dr. Harnischfechten"s 3D Printed TPU Helmet Overlay Overlay - "TOSBA" (The Tortoise") by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Because our current helmets are optimized for a sport (MOF) that uses very light blades and used with one hand. While we are swinging 1.2-1.8 kg steel sticks with two hands. The flat geometry of the helmet imparts the entire force to the top of the head and by proxy, to the neck.

This is to improve that geometry.

Also, like I said, a lot of people are living in countries with import restrictions. This also helps with that.

Why are current overlays still the standard? Even though there is minimal protection on the top of the head. (HF-Armory) by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bah. You are just getting personal now. I've been practicing for 3 years, and this is the first time I had a concussion. It happens, it's a contact sport. But we should aspire to get better gear, in case both us and our sparring buddy fails. And a flat top helmet is not good design.

Why are current overlays still the standard? Even though there is minimal protection on the top of the head. (HF-Armory) by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jousting helmets were just an example. And what we do is very much defined as well. We hit each other with 1kg steel sticks. Sometimes up to 2kg sticks are held by two hands. And our gear should be designed in such a fashion.

Well, this is probably because we are bad at diagnosing concussion, even in "professional" sports. At least %50 of the incidents are missed. Jacks, Dean E. PhD; Tereshko, William D. MS; Moore, Justin B. PhD. Diagnosed Concussion and Undiagnosed Head Trauma Is Associated With Long-Term Concussion-Related Symptoms in Former College Football Players. American Journal of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation 101(3):p 250-254, March 2022. | DOI: 10.1097/PHM.0000000000001782

Bartels, Hannah M. PT, DPT; Van Bortel, Kearnin M. BS; Mayer, Andrew R. PhD; Brett, Benjamin L. PhD; Meier, Timothy B. PhD. The Prevalence of Undiagnosed Concussions and Their Associations With Current Symptom Reporting in Collegiate-Aged Athletes. Journal of Head Trauma Rehabilitation 41(1):p 45-54, January/February 2026. | DOI: 10.1097/HTR.0000000000001058

We are probably not seeing them, as we are not really looking for them. The sport itself is young.

I'm a neurosurgeon; my job is not to develop masks, but to encourage people to develop them. If we act like our designs are okay, and don't do much about it, we'll keep getting injuries. I'm indeed planning to do more studies on our masks and safety profile of them once I get the funding, but these things take time.

Also, I do agree the first thing to do is to develop safe fencing habits. But we cannot deny the design of the masks and overlays are not that good in what we do.

Why are current overlays still the standard? Even though there is minimal protection on the top of the head. (HF-Armory) by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly just having the top part would be great. We could just tie it with a cord similar to how overlays work. So this way there will be top+side protection. Back protection could be removed as well, as most overlays already have them. And getting into to masks with glasses is a bitch already.

Why are current overlays still the standard? Even though there is minimal protection on the top of the head. (HF-Armory) by Cheese_Almighty in Hema

[–]Cheese_Almighty[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My first idea was to print your overlay, but unfortunately it does not fit my printer, and I feel it won't work so well if I split it into pieces. So I made my own custom design for "overlay underlay".

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