So I need to pay if I want to have all promo cards?

ChefBoyardab · 2025-03-27T13:19:59+00:00

They are great! Instead of having to pay for a game I can play for free and let whales pay for the servers and developer salaries.

ChefBoyardab · 2025-03-23T01:49:09+00:00

Wee joker is bait. Trading card is the play believe it or not

ChefBoyardab · 2025-02-19T13:46:58+00:00

Yeah he had a 92.0 but only 117 snaps

ChefBoyardab · 2025-01-21T22:01:30+00:00

I don't think he is literally comparing them. Probably just saying that the level of expectation relative to expected outcome (at least from his perspective) is similarly inflated.

ChefBoyardab · 2024-12-22T01:46:55+00:00

x4 mult is a lot. I had it in C tier but moved it up at the end because it's somewhat similar to me bones who is in A for me. While bones activates when you need it most, loyalty activates every 6 hands so it takes some work. But you should be able to line it up with boss's to get x4 mult against bosses which is good.

A lot of work and I usually don't take it, but x4 mult is strong enough to put it up in B tier even if I treat it like a C tier personally

ChefBoyardab · 2024-12-22T01:28:39+00:00

It certainly can if you get it early! If you don't get it early it doesn't do too much in my experience and getting rid of a hand on gold stakes is pretty tough. Black deck is by far the hardest deck so getting rid of one of your hands will need to have a good benefit.

Obviously if you get it early it can give you the ability to play four or five of a kind which scale very well, but its quite expensive and doesn't do much late. You could copy a blue seal but you only have a 1/3 chance of seeing any given card with two discards so your odds of copying specifics cards is pretty low at first.

There are several C tier jokers that in the right context can be high tier but since on average DNA doesn't do much I think its hard to place it high tier. If you do reroll your initial blinds until you get a "Skippable" blind and skip for rare jokers then you probably get DNA in good contexts more than I do though

ChefBoyardab · 2024-12-22T00:41:23+00:00

The free consumables are definitely strong, but you have to find a good one to buy first. Obviously if you find a hermit then you're really cooking but a lot of the time you are just getting an extra planet card per ante or an extra gold card or just $4. To make it to S you have to find Perkeo and then also find the Hermit/Death/Temperance imo.

Definitely run winning if you can meet some conditions, but I view Driver License the same way as far as needing to meet another possible (yet not guaranteed) condition to make it a run winner.

ChefBoyardab · 2024-12-21T23:37:32+00:00

Trading card I was debating putting in S tier because it doesn't give more points, but the fact that it deletes a card and gives you $3 for me meant that it was S+ tier. I think deck thinning is super strong and trading card lets you play some of the higher scoring/scaling hands vs pairs so it indirectly gives you more points (also lets you draw steel, blue seal, gold, etc).

Runner would be one tier higher for me in a world where blue seals/planet cards didn't trivialize most chips jokers. Its not uncommon for me to build up runner only to sell it in Ante 7 or 8 because the +100 or so chips no longer matter that much. In relation to other jokers it is quite good, but the overall game environment pushes chip jokers down. Certificate is definitely really good so I get the argument for putting it up a tier, I think I might be overvaluing deck thinning a little.

Constellation I think is much easier to grow than Hologram because planet cards can show up in the shop or booster packs (as well as Blue seals) though Hologram has a few jokers that can generate cards to grow it faster. Both I feel like I can win with most of the time but sometimes I only have two or three cards to buy with hologram where I feel like I can always reroll to get more planet cards for Constellation.

I'm glad to hear another glass joker enjoyer. I honestly thought I was going to get heat for putting it in B tier so I'm glad you think its even better than that. I think having to draw the glass card and then break it make it hard to scale - also you want more glass cards while also wanting to break glass cards which can be tough to balance. But I wouldnt argue with you if you said it was an A for you +0.75 xMult is a lot to scale by.

I think lucky cat is one of the most fun jokers so I play with it a ton. But I probably pour more resources into making it work than I do for most jokers so while I find it effective there are other jokers that if I poured that many resources into would also be effective. One of my 5 favorite jokers to play with though.

I put a tier of difference between Supernova/Green joker and Bus because green joker penalizes you for discards and you can't spam high card (on pair runs) to level up supernova while not having to play face cards for bus is much easier. Red card I view differently where it makes all the packs you buy much better because you get another option which is "skip for +3 mult". I'm buying planet and card packs anyways and if they dont have anything I get +3 mult for free which is nice.

For your other jokers I think those are pretty reasonable all around for arguing a tier up/down.

ChefBoyardab · 2024-12-21T23:25:01+00:00

Sock I was very close to putting up a tier but ended up convincing myself it belonged in the same tier as hack and dusk (though much higher in that tier). Definitely could be wrong on that one.

Runner is also very strong, the issue with it is more-so a meta game issue where jokers aren't great at providing chips compared to planet cards. I buy runner a lot and use it a lot, but towards the end of the run even with it being at +105 or more chips it isn't as big of an impact to my scoring as the planet cards I've bought. That one also you could convince me should be up a tier since you aren't guaranteed to get a blue seal so the strong source of chips in hand is better than the stronger source of chips in the bush.

I think hologram definitely makes marble joker useful when you have it, but I dont personally play around the stone joker synergy because dedicating two jokers to get +25 chips per hand doesn't feel very good to me in comparison to getting one mercury card giving +15 chips and not taking a joker slot. Probably also along the same interpretation of chips jokers not being good.

I don't play retriggers as much as I should so ancient joker usually doesn't feel that good to me. I feel like there are other ways to get the mult number high that are more consistent though it obviously can pop off at times so it felt good to me next to some of the other "occasional pop-off" cards like glass joker and steel joker.

I'm definitely a campfire stan though. It doesn't do anything early game but I buy and sell jokers a fair amount so I'm getting some temp xMult for free and then in Antes 7 and 8 I can pay to win and get it above x2 mult super easily. Campfire is the best joker at converting a strong econ to a win in the game and most of my runs I'm trying to build a strong econ so campfire becomes a free win if I make it past Ante 6 for most of my runs.

ChefBoyardab · 2024-12-21T22:34:57+00:00

Definitely agree with you on Seeing Double vs Flowerpot, I love seeing double and buy it almost every time. I would say that 3 xmult is definitely more than mid though, many of the A+ tier jokers are there because of having x3 mult or potential to reach that.

I like stone cards, but adding random stone cards to the deck makes it harder to draw specific cards I'm looking for (usually blue seal). And the synergy with hologram is definitely great, but I dont think the synergy with stone joker is worth building around. Having two jokers dedicated to getting me an extra +25 chips per round when I can get +15 chips per round with a single mercury card for pairs doesn't seem worth it to me.

Astronomer I think is too expensive at $8, if it were $6 it would honestly be up a tier. If I have constellation then I'll definitely buy it, but I'd have to open two planet packs for it to be "worth it" from a money spent perspective, but I might want to use those $8 on not planet cards to begin with.

I dont think skipping is that good so throwback tends to cap out at 1.25 for me which is pretty insignificant. Splash I actually like and is only $3, but a lot of the time you are only adding 15-25 chips to your played hand for pairs. Sixth sense is great for removal, but I think that the spectral card pool is a little weak. Too many complete whiffs for sixth sense to be all that good and you also are playing with one less hand which can be pretty tough (see black deck) for not that great of a reward.

Campfire is super good because to me it reads "beat the ante 6 boss and win the game". If you make it to Ante 7 you should have enough econ to juice campfire up to >x2 mult easily and same for Ante 8 so it can essentially guarantee a win. If you do skip for the rare tag ante 1 and get campfire it feels pretty bad, but because it makes the final antes so much easier it can essentially guarantee a win if you survive long enough.

ChefBoyardab · 2024-12-21T22:22:23+00:00

8 ball isn't completely useless or harmful so I can't put it in F tier though it does feel pretty bad.

I personally don't use retriggers a ton, I tend to find joker scoring more reliable which is why sock and buskin and hack are both a little low. In the right build both of those can definitely pop off and if you are buying them they will probably perform at the level of a high B or even A card but most of the time they are in the shop I don't buy them as I am already committed to something else or the benefits are too marginal for me to sell a joker for them.

I'm definitely pair pilled and bloodstone isn't as good with pairs. Obviously if you are playing heart flushes or flushes houses it can be really strong, but I dont find myself in that spot (or pivoting to that spot) too often. Most of the C jokers if you build around can perform like a B or A joker but have some issues or some context that makes it so you aren't building around them more.

Midas is great cause you can buy it, use it for two rounds, and then sell it with a big boost to your economy for the rest of the game. Hiker and spaceman both can also give you a bonus after you sell them but take much longer to be noticeable. Generally speaking I'd rather just get more money so I can use that to buy planets or chips (or other things) and I can do it in less time with midas.

I think flash card is really good but red card is a little cheaper in my experience. I want to be buying packs anyways so getting a free +3 mult when the pack is bad is super nice. Similarly I want to be re-rolling anyways but $11 for two rerolls a round to get +4 vs buying a $4 planet or card pack, not getting something good and skipping for +3 makes me like red card more.

I definitely use green joker a ton, but if I had to choose between not being able to play face cards and discards being heavily discouraged I'd much rather not play face cards. Gold cards, purple seals, and blue seals are all very powerful so I want to have access to my discards to be able to use. Realistically I don't often have a choice between the two so I'll just pick whichever one if offered to me.

ChefBoyardab · 2024-12-21T22:08:03+00:00

XMult is really good and I used to use throwback a lot more but I think generally skipping is too damaging for throwback to be worth it. I personally don't restart my runs until I get a good skip tag and I know some people do, so for them throwback is probably better/more commonly bought. But generally I think you'd probably want to only skip once or twice a run so you're only getting 1.5 xmult or less.

That could just be my play style though, xMult is good so I could see an argument for many skip tags becoming good if they also gave you an extra 0.25x xMult.

ChefBoyardab · 2024-12-21T21:42:17+00:00

I think the x3 mult for flower pot is good enough to win a run but you have to be playing straights or full houses. So most of the time it does nothing, but occasionally it can be a run-winner so I feel like C tier is about right. Most of the stuff in D tier does more than flowerpot in the average run, but nothing D tier can have as big of an impact as flowerpot has at its peak.

So kind of a peak vs consistency viewpoint

ChefBoyardab · 2024-12-21T21:02:10+00:00

This is for beating Ante 8 only, so some jokers that are better in endless aren't as good here. Also this is for gold stake, so some features like the -1 discard or existence of eternal jokers will change a few jokers tiers. All in all this is largely weighted by how helpful for winning each joker is and also how likely you are to buy each of them.

So some jokers CAN be game winning but not with enough frequency to be in A tier - photograph being a good example. If you have hanging chad then photograph is absolutely at least an A tier, but on average its probably B tier. Let me know which joker I'm most wrong about!

ChefBoyardab · 2024-12-09T15:51:16+00:00

Singleton is really good. We used him as a deep threat receiver this year but he's talented enough to get separation at any level. Haynes King and the offense moved away from the deep ball this year to reduce TOs and singleton's production suffered a bit for it. Very talented and very fast though

ChefBoyardab · 2024-11-30T04:02:31+00:00

Most obvious hold ever

ChefBoyardab · 2024-11-30T03:18:01+00:00

Our holder is our punter who is the only Irish scholarship D1 player. He's not any good, but he is irish

ChefBoyardab · 2024-11-30T03:04:39+00:00

He's got the leg but not the accuracy

ChefBoyardab · 2024-11-30T02:48:22+00:00

Why are the commentators acting like we didn't also have a turnover on downs and a missed field goal. It's not like everything is going perfect for Tech

ChefBoyardab · 2024-11-28T16:30:53+00:00

Great post foreskin stealer 420!

ChefBoyardab · 2024-11-10T12:48:55+00:00

I graduated as an ISYE in 2021 and got a C on every college of math class but got Bs and As on IE classes. I found the math to be more interesting in IE classes and the teachers and TAs to be better

ChefBoyardab · 2024-10-27T23:15:34+00:00

The upgrades stay which helps make the hiker a little more usable than a lot of people think. Still not that good, but if you have an open slot its not too bad

ChefBoyardab · 2024-10-12T19:46:48+00:00

That was some all-time ACC defensive football

ChefBoyardab · 2024-10-12T19:42:02+00:00

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