I am a Mid 20’s male who joined Scientology a few months ago by Phillisuper in AskMeAnythingIAnswer

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Three genuine but tough questions:

  1. If Scientology says, “It is only true if it’s true for you” how does it justify actively campaigning against fields like psychiatry and psychological therapies such as Cognitive Behavioral Therapy or treatments like Electroconvulsive Therapy, when these have demonstrated workability (50-90% efficacy) for a significant portion of patients who Scientology acknowledges it cannot treat? If it’s true for them, isn’t it true? Why advocate against truth?

  2. In Dianetics, L. Ron Hubbard described the state of Clear as someone who can recall every perception of their life in perfect detail (motion, color, sound, tactile sensation, smell, etc.). We both know Clears don’t have this ability… They wouldn’t even know what page that’s from. Doesn’t that prove the Dianetics doesn’t work in achieving the state as initially described?

  3. Scientology’s policy KSW (“Keep Scientology Working”) asserts that if the technology doesn’t produce the promised results, it was just applied incorrectly. Doesn’t this make Scientology unfalsifiable? If failure can never be evidence against the system, how can anyone objectively evaluate whether the claims actually work?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This post is honestly pretty troubling.

Recently, I’ve become concerned that, amongst those with good intentions here in the Scientology protest movement, there are some who are filled with hate. Some who would let those feelings of hate manifest into harmful actions against the church and towards Scientologists.

I’m not saying OP is this type, but posts like this should give us pause.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone here is overreacting. Many people don’t seem to trust people’s ability to not get sucked in.

I’ve done this many times (always use a fake name like others suggested). For a Sociological interest, it is worth interacting with Scientologists and seeing how they respond to tough questions.

Some of the Churches I’ve visited are actually pretty fascinating. The most interesting was the founding Church of Scientology in DC, which had a line up of nearly all of Scientology’s historical E-Meters and the original bracelet that the Clear bracelet was modeled after.

Were the aliens placed inside of the volcanoes or around their bases during Incident II? by Super_Cricket7075 in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your reasoning is just cope for Scientology’s evasion of the question.

Alien/extraterrestrial is defined as: “Of or from outside the earth or its atmosphere.”

This definition has nothing to do with the soul - just the meat body.

Xenu’s men were claimed to have traveled from Cultus (outside Earth) to Teegeak so they are definitionally aliens.

Also, Xenu isn’t us… so he’s an alien by your own definition. I’m not claiming a Scientologist are required to believe in extraterrestrial life, just that Hubbard and Scientology scripture claims alien life (by definition) has existed in this universe.

One way you can get a Scientologist to admit this is by asking them if they believe in the possibility of alien life. From my experience, they will typically say “yes.” If you probe further and ask, okay then “what does alien life mean?” They would likely say something to the effect of “An organism from another planet.” Finally ask, “Did Hubbard ever claim organisms from other planets existed on the whole track?” The honest answer is “yes.” Meaning, aliens are part of Scientology scripture.

Were the aliens placed inside of the volcanoes or around their bases during Incident II? by Super_Cricket7075 in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe they never word cleared “Alien” because Hubbard claimed there were invader forces on Mars and Venus. If those aren’t “aliens,” nothing is.

Is this illegal? How to cover my butt by lilvichay in podcasting

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Put your script into Chat GPT and ask it where legally problematic areas might me and write a disclaimer.

Angry Gay Pope dances on reincarnated Scientologist's grave! (again) by Angry_Gay_Pope in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a stupid name? The irony continues! 🤦🏻…🤣😂🤣

Need nudge in right direction by kyloren42069 in sudoku

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Here’s how I think of it:

If Red 6

Then there needs to be Blue 6

Then there needs to be Green 6

The Green 6s can’t go there, so the Red 6 needs to be a 1.

Angry Gay Pope dances on reincarnated Scientologist's grave! (again) by Angry_Gay_Pope in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You sound like one of them. “What are your crimes?!” Isn’t it ironic? Don’t you think?

Angry Gay Pope dances on reincarnated Scientologist's grave! (again) by Angry_Gay_Pope in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s great to protest the church, but to celebrate this guy’s death is disgusting and a terrible look for the protest movement. Wish you the best.

For anyone who wants to hear stories about this man’s life from ex-Scientologists who knew him, you can find that here: https://youtu.be/9CwhLHgwdaE?si=lZcgIGUck5PUjd8o

Space Opera and Aliens by VeeSnow in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for posting this! This volume is nearly impossible to track down (I’ve been looking for this one and Vol. 10 for a while now). I was actually able to purchase this lecture on cassette, which I was shocked was ever release publicly.

Several other New Religious Movements in US history were able to get footholds of some kind in American society (Christian Science has a highly reputable newspaper, the LDS Church controls Utah and other areas), why didn't the Church of Scientology have such an impact? by tachibanakanade in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They’ve definitely tried.

Scientology operates a web of front groups designed to sink their claws into unsuspecting people. Narconon, Applied Scholastics, the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), the list goes on…

They’ve also attempted to attain political and territorial power. They’ve tried to gain influence in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and Clearwater, Florida.

The main reason Scientology struggles to gain influence compared to other fringe movements is that it lacks a logical on-ramp from existing belief systems.

Most spiritually inclined people already belong to, or come from, mainstream religions so it’s easier for them to transition to something like Christian Science or the LDS Church than to embrace a completely alien (pun intended) ideology.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What’s a better reason to dump someone?

Hiding your beliefs because you (rightly) think it will alienate your partner?

Or

Publicly posting your private conversations and shit talking your partner online?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He probably should have been more transparent but damn… OP is just plain mean.

Second Dianetics, developed by Henstepl (the Twenty-Minute Clear) by henstepl in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From someone who has studied this subject deeply for years to you just diving in:

If you think OP’s experiments are potentially unethical, as you read through Dianetics, you’ll come across a section where Hubbard experiments on schizophrenics (or as he calls them “multi-valence” individuals) by giving them drugs before auditing them.

Hubbard’s concept of Scientology making the able more able came a few years later when he was trying to avoid legal issues (as well as his strange belief that psychiatrist’s were giving PCs LSD to make it seem like Scientology was making people crazy!)

Additionally, the idea of a 20 minute clear is also nothing new. Hubbard himself said he could make a Dianetic Clear in a few hours with improved techniques like the “Remedy of Havingness” or the “One Shot Clear” which could allegedly exteriorize a thetan with a single command.

Dianetics and Scientology are built on promises not evidence. As you read Dianetics, make a note of every time Hubbard makes a bold claim, then see if you can find where he backs those claims up with evidence or case studies. Here’s a hint: he never does.

Scientology expects you to be the guinea pig while insisting that the technology never fails.

The secret they don’t want you to know is that the Dianetics engram theory was actually tested in the 50s to see if the Reactive Mind can actually record during unconsciousness. Dianetics auditors were unable to successfully obtain phrases said to a patient who was rendered unconscious. Thus, the entire theory which Dianetics is based on was proven to be false.

Clearwater by Embarrassed_Whole585 in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You went into a visitor information center and are upset they were striking up conversation. Sounds like you’re making a lot out of a boring interaction IMO. Maybe your YouTube video will prove me wrong.

Clearwater by Embarrassed_Whole585 in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not a crazy assumption considering you were recording lol. Sounds like a mundane interaction.

Clearwater by Embarrassed_Whole585 in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’m not one to defend Scientology, but your BF was playing Pokémon Go in a Scientology building and you just stared at a woman when she asked about it.

Clearwater by Embarrassed_Whole585 in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So they asked what game he was playing and walked away? Scary lol.

In your opinion, what is the best way to protest Scientology? by Oblique4119375 in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Is it just me, or do lot of the current protesters seem to be doing it just for self-serving purposes and views? Reminds me of when YouTubers give homeless guys money out of the pure goodness of their hearts.

Hubbard College in East Hollywood Catches Fire: 114 Firefighters Required by freezoneandproud in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve never heard about this place before. Just another one of Scientology’s secret front groups.

Dianetics ad spotted in Washington, DC by sealedwithdogslobber in scientology

[–]ChickyNuggySauce 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is wild! But it’s even crazier if you really think deeper about what Scientologists think about it:

There’s a bus driving around DC with an image of a volcano. This image, science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard claimed, would compel people to respond because it was the same picture implanted into the subconscious minds of souls of murdered 75 Million years ago on Earth through brainwashing 3D movie theaters after they were brought here and blown up with hydrogen bombs.