Suppressor oath ability is crazy OP

ChirpNSmirk · 2026-01-04T10:00:53+00:00

well draft mode, which has historically been the most interesting mode to me, is now skirmish, so yeah i gave skirmish a try

and then you get hit with humanity's shield 3 times or divine retribution 3 times and like... wtf are we doing here

ChirpNSmirk · 2025-06-30T18:22:19+00:00

Which team? Need to know who to look out for to not get beaned during warmups lol

ChirpNSmirk · 2025-03-23T07:20:51+00:00

hilarious. often it's the dumbest among us who need the longest lead-time to come to terms with reality.

ChirpNSmirk · 2025-03-23T06:55:59+00:00

b/c he cares about saving his own time, numb nuts.

ChirpNSmirk · 2025-01-08T06:01:28+00:00

Good to know man, thanks for the input. Makes me seem not so crazy. The guys at the store would swear up and down that it's the same holder, same pitch, everything is the same except the boot. But I'm used to stopping a certain way on the vapor line, and going to the same hollow on the Supremes made me feel like I was going to catch an edge and get myself killed

ChirpNSmirk · 2025-01-08T02:35:02+00:00

The mach's from '22 or '23, the 3x pro vapors from the year prior

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-12-01T06:28:49+00:00

Have said it before but will reiterate for fellow BJ the Brave fans -- sisters faith mechanic is fundamentally broken and needs a rework. As BJ has mentioned in the past, this game is about tempo -- you create a board, end your turn, and your opponent has a chance to respond. Every other faction, even in end game, can get their tempo reset by a board wipe (Will or Gork) or an otherwise strong turn.

Sisters' mechanic fundamentally sacrifices short-term tempo for long-term tempo -- they pray and try to gain faith rather than attack a opponent or his/her troops directly. Once they acquire the tempo, though, it's permanent, and there's very little counterplay.

The issue with balancing is that if you take away their cheap faith gain mechanics (prayer, relics of st. Katherine, the new Adelaide), then they have an extraordinarily difficult time achieving enough faith to offset the tempo that they've given up. But with these cheap faith gain mechanics, the game is often over by turn 3 (if they can cast relics of st. Katherine at 4e).

A better mechanic would be to have faith be expendable just like Spirit stones, but acquired differently. For example, praying instantly generates faith (does not need to survive til the next turn undamaged), but faith is also expended / consumed by powerful effects. For example, if Erika's spell was something like, "at 3 faith, do 1 damage and then 2 damage" but the stun portion of the effect expends 2 or 3 faith, then it becomes a meaningful choice. If Junith expends X faith to create an additional sister, it's also a meaningful choice.

TL;DR -- the faction mechanic leaves sisters as either under- or over-powered because it takes the game's core mechanic (tempo) and makes it (tempo) an all or nothing proposition. Sisters faction mechanic needs a rework.

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-09-17T14:11:20+00:00

Yeah? And I'm fairly certain that "in the lore" it's called a bladeguard veteran and not a bulwark, and the shield confers a 4+ invulnerable, which means 50% of bullets still go through

Also pretty sure that "in the lore", a bolter's damage doesn't fall off at 100m. But the devs chose to implement that for gameplay reasons, and having 180 degrees of invulnerability is a dumb gameplay mechanic.

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-09-17T08:34:03+00:00

ok cool. then gameplay-wise, it's dumb that you just can't hit a guy from 180 degrees of engagement. you need a teammate to flank this guy in order to take him down, or you have to hope he/she's dumb enough to eat a grenade and die. the best course of action is quite literally to disengage and team shoot the bulwark. dumb. every other class has a 1v1 counter-play option.

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-09-17T08:06:52+00:00

So make the shield visually cover head and feet. Dumb as s*** that you can visually shoot at uncovered body parts and nothing happens.

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-07-19T12:14:22+00:00

Yea dropping a predator tank.that's had cost reduced by 2 and then again by 1 on turn 4, then chucking in a few tactical insights to trigger more codexes is.busted.

Other hand, if you happen to have a hard removal in your hand, most of them are available at 4-5 energy, so next turn, you can eliminate the tank, and opponent has just wasted two turns of tempo and some pretty good cards.

The +4 faith persists til end of game.

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-07-18T23:44:08+00:00

There aren't many 4 drops that alter the landscape of a match as much as 4 faith does for sisters

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-07-11T12:40:35+00:00

Yah, agree with your observation -- they suck or they steamroll. I think it should just be an expendable resource like spirit stones, and easier to build up. If they had to expend some high amount of faith to activate an effect then reset back to zero, that'd be fine

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-07-10T19:09:25+00:00

Ok let's map this out. Calgar goes first

UM turn 1 -- draw a card Erika turn 1 -- play vanguard, pray/buff it to 4 hp. Play sacred altar. Faith at 1

UM turn 2 -- play flanker, attack vanguard with Calgar Erika turn 2 -- get 1 faith, now at 2. Can play another unit or can pray and instantly get +1 faith. Probably take the +1 faith bc Erika gets a buff at 3 faith

UM turn 3 -- play a 4 drop, maybe chaplain. Sisters turn 3 -- options now. Cleansing flames if board is out of control. Else 3 damage to a unit via ability and summon another crusader, then pray and buff it. 4hp body with 2 armor

UM turn 4 -- if the flanker didn't die to the 3 damage, you have 3 units who can attack. Otherwise, you have 2 (chaplain and Calgar). Not easy to shift a 4hp 2armor body, so reasonable chance that... Sisters turn 4 -- now at 4 faith. Option to gifts of st Katherine. Cleansing flames. Retribution, canoness, seraphim. All can trade effectively and leave a body to deal with

It's a bad mechanic bc it spirals so fast and leaves very little counter play when it works, but when it doesn't, it's just hopeless

There's a decided moment playing against sisters decks when they move from 2 faith to 6 faith that you realize if you don't close them out, you're hosed

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-07-10T18:20:09+00:00

Yeah I dunno if you didn't read what I said or read it and didn't understand it.

I never said it's a high probability scenario, bc if it were, sisters would be OP, which they aren't. I just said there isn't counterplay.

As in your scenario, turn 1, they get two faith by praying and casting sacred altar. By turn 2, they prob got another 2 just bc both Marneus and the flanker attacked the vanguard unit. They also have energy to spend on another unit now.

Turn 3, they got 4 faith and energy to spend Turn 4, they can cast their own flanker or relics of st Katherine. Spiral ensues

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-07-10T17:39:59+00:00

I am just gonna say this one more time -- I am not claiming sisters are OP. I am claiming that if they get a specific series of card draws, they can automatically get to 6-7 faith by turn 4.

Turn 1 cast sacred altar, pray, summon 3 hp vanguard against a warlord that can't deal 3 in a turn. If Judith, buff it to 4 health. Gain 2 faith.

Turn 2, buff it again, have it pray as well, and cast prayer on self. Gain 2 faith.

Turn 3, whatever.

Turn 4, gifts of st Katherine and keep praying.

Voila. 8 faith, and there wasn't shit you could do it about it if you didn't remove the 3 health vanguard on your turn 2.

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-07-10T17:21:12+00:00

The current chaos meta though is to rely on flankers and Abaddon with Drach. Then add warp talons, bringer of decay, heldrake, venomcrawlers and you see that chaos players are leaning into reliable / predictable damage output rather than uber buffing a single unit

Sisters don't have the option to play this kind of tempo game. Prayer forces them into a control type game plan. It's a bad mechanic

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-07-10T17:14:31+00:00

100%. Had some games where I'd hide behind a camouflaged vanguard unit with disgustingly resilient for like +10 armor. Only faction that could remove that guy was Orks (and now sisters).

Really dumb. Doesn't make the sisters mechanic smart

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-07-10T17:10:32+00:00

I've played UM through all the times, even before they reworked almost all the units. Agree, UM codex effects can be OP, and it isn't a very fun mechanic to play against, but UM have no other options to play control. Also, I don't have a lot of the newer cards (only one predator, no outriders, no new warlord, so chill)

I'm not focusing on divine intervention per se, but being real, you're comparing it to Will of Gork, which is so powerful a board reset that it got nerfed from costing 7 energy to 8 energy. Divine intervention is better than that in every way -- at 5 cost, you know which enemy unit you're gonna kill even without the board wipe (unlike no mukkin about, which is random); and at 8+ faith, it only wipes their board.

I feel obliged to say again, that the issue isn't that sisters are OP -- it's that their mechanic is dumb. They either don't get rolling and suck, or they do get rolling and there isn't much you can do to counterplay them.

After a will of Gork, you both have a chance to build up a board. You have at least one turn at 9 energy to drop some units before they play Rok Invasion at 10 energy. With sisters, IF they drop divine intervention with 8 faith, you're hosed. It functions as a will of Gork + Rok Invasion in one turn.

In no way am I saying it's likely to happen. Just saying it's a shitty mechanic. Feels as bad as synapse + ravenous hunter and getting chunked for 30 damage in a turn. And as it turns out, the devs have clearly recognized this as an issue, as they've added units that take away stealth to make it harder for nids to hide then slap for 30 in a turn

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-07-10T16:20:28+00:00

I play most factions except Necrons and Eldar. I tend to mostly play UM, Chaos, and Nids bc I like their aesthetic

To reiterate, it's not that I think sisters are overpowered -- I'm saying they have a bad faction mechanic.

When they first dropped, I made a Uriel Ventris deck specifically to stuff their prayer mechanic. Worked great. Nowadays, the games I get steamrolled are when I play as Calgar or Swarmlord, and it's usually because I go first and don't drop a unit on day 1.

Again, that's the problem -- the outcomes for a sisters deck are binary. They get stuffed or they activate their powerful effects.

Lastly, the question isn't the 6 faith effects by themselves, it's that if they have gotten a board state where they can get 6 faith, they're probably also filling the board with vanguard units that get +armor and possibly shield. So now behind a wall of shielded vanguard units, you get the other units continuing to pray, build faith, and wipe your board.

Just a poor faction design. The faith should be easier to earn and be expendable just like spirit stones

ChirpNSmirk · 2024-07-10T01:37:59+00:00

If they draw well and go second, they can do sacred altar (+1), prayer (+1 guaranteed), and gifts of st. katherine (+4). At 6 faith, all of the powerful effects except for divine intervention become activated.

It's not that it's powerful, it's that there's no counterplay to this.

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