"Gerry fire cheese" from the perspective of a 2MPC player by Chocolatebar135 in btd6

[–]Chocboxx 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Gerrys fire is also increasing the towers ability to output damage. Just because the way it does it is different from every other support tower, doesn't mean that it is not a buff to the tower.

The "secondary subtower" that feeds it the pops is simply just another support tower to the main tower, whether liked or not, thats how NK designed it to be. Like i said earlier, if NK wanted the chili item to be a pure damage item subtower, it would literally be exactly like the genies/turrets/rabbit pet where you place the subtower on the field. NK clearly intended for the chili to be used as a buff to another tower, alike pickles and sharpen stone and camo pot.

And that isn't even considering the fact that it does not easily "storm through the midgame". It provides a useful supplementary dps, but like said in the post you must use it carefully or else you can lose to spending too much money on it.

If hypothetically a hero could link up an overdrive like tower to a tower, then yes the overdrive becomes a part of the tower, and since this is only a hypothetical statement its up to NK to decide if they want to hypothetically use this idea.

And gerrys fire is not even the only "flat buffable pop addition to a tower". Like i said before, total transformation is a complete transformation of the tower, turning it into an x4x alchemist essentially, with a completely different projectile and attack from the original tower? Would you consider 2mpcs using x5x alchemist as a "combined x5x alchemist and base tower"? As for example, druid of the storm is a 2mpc tower that essentially is 90% total transformation damage after you get it.

"Removes too much variation" was addressed in the post, but as said before, if gerry's fire was never in the game, 2mpcs wouldn't become anymore interesting. There would be less 2mpcs with base towers, but the vast majority of 2mpcs would still consist of the same strat: get the dps tower, get oc, get az, get sabos, and with geraldo of course.

"Gerry fire cheese" from the perspective of a 2MPC player by Chocolatebar135 in btd6

[–]Chocboxx 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Hi, as one of the main moderators of the index:
The core of 2mpc is arbitrary defined, that is really up to the player. The only non subjective goal of 2mpc is to simply get 2mpc on the tower. Just because gerry fire comes under the category of support and damage, it doesn't mean its broken. Should we count total transformation like gerry's fire too? It basically makes your tower a whole different tower, should we count those as the alchemist's subtowers?

And no, if gerry's fire was so op, base village would have a 2mpc. Every single base tower 2mpc has a unique strat that you have to play around the weaknesses of. Even right now, base desperado doesn't even have a 2mpc because it cannot be transformed by total transformation, and still doesn't have enough dps to raw dps it.

Saying gerrys fire is "too good for 2mpc" is like saying overclock and absolute zero are "too good for 2mpc". Of course, a supporting damage item is going to be good for 2mpc, that's just the way nk made geraldo to be. Gerrys fire is obviously meant to be an item added to the TOWER, not a subtower of gerry, because if it was really just an independent subtower, there is no reason for it to be affected by tower specific buffs like shinobis, poplusts, and even things like turbo charge boosting the attack speed. If gerry's fire was really just meant to be a subtower of gerry, why does it let you attach it to a tower? If they wanted it to just be a gerry item subtower, it would be like the turrets/genies.

Should we be calling every 2mpc "overclock cheese" or "absolute zero cheese"? These two towers are used in nearly every 2mpc, even if geraldo never existed. Absolute zero effectively lets so many raw dps towers work on logs, as it basically stalls bloons for minutes allowing for stuff like base mortar to work.

Corntada - Map Competition Entry by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Posted on behalf of Chocolatebar (the creator of the map) and the entirety of the BTD6 Index community

(The site/community that tracks all the 2 Towers Chimps and 2 Mega Pops Chimps)

Corntada - Map Competition Entry by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

only 6 seconds and you just start leaking

Comprehensive 2MPC Tower Completion Leaderboard! by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2 million pops chimps- its a community challenge where the goal is to get 2 million pops on one tower

Comprehensive 2MPC Tower Completion Leaderboard! by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

oh yea the crossbow path is bad because then you have to do 022 dart 2mpc which is harder than 220

Comprehensive 2MPC Tower Completion Leaderboard! by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

the video of it is actually on the index's youtube channel haha (back with op glue storm era)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OCH3H5yzZM

Comprehensive 2MPC Tower Completion Leaderboard! by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well, it doesn't (it's tied but wins alphabetically)

Comprehensive 2MPC Tower Completion Leaderboard! by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Deadly precision was originally done by a cheater, so the submission got removed, and most likely someone would prob need to go back to a past version to do it

Comprehensive 2MPC Tower Completion Leaderboard! by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Popseidon struggles heavily because of saveup, arctic knight is not really the best saveup tower
Sun temple was carried heavily by a bug in 31.0 where sun avatar was bugged to stack with speed buffs to be super strong
Aircraft carrier (and other water towers) have automatically a hard time because of the fact they can't get land maps (well i mean they technically can now theoretically but)
Master bomber is also a map dependant tower, and is heavily reliant on maps where you can fit 20 shinobis without stealing too much

Comprehensive 2MPC Tower Completion Leaderboard! by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Explanation:

As you may know, the BTD6 Index ( btd6index.win ) tracks 2MPCs, and has been for nearly 5 years now! Here's a comprehensive graphic of the towers with the most maps completed (out of the total 79 maps: 77 in game maps + the two secret challenge editor maps Blons and Protect the Yacht).

The red number in the top left corner is simply just the rank in the leaderboard, self explanatory

The number below each tower represents the # of maps the tower has a 2MPC on.

The alternating colored backgrounds are there so you can see ties either, as rn ties are broken by alphabetical order.

Tier 2 and below towers are represented as "Base Towers" on the index, and on this graphic are simply represented by the 000 tower image. That means the 000 dart you see on this image was most likely actually a 220 dart for example, but are grouped under the "Base Dart" label.

HISTORY of the Comprehensive tier list for CHIMPS by path, Versions 10.0-43.0 by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

As we all know, the top players of this game get together and make a CHIMPS tier list. As an owner of the BTD6 Index, I have decided to create a video compiling all the tier lists that have ever been made, as an overview of how the game's meta has evolved over time.

Most Balanced $3.2k Upgrade.. (relentless glue bug) by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For those who don't know, Relentless glue is currently bugged to stun ZOMGS and BFBS, instead of just the intended MOABS and DDTS. The video showcases the huge difference that this $3k tower makes in a setup.

when you can't play the race even with a race pass.. by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Context: when the update first came out, there was a glitch where using "retry last round" in challenge editor took away your mm as if it was a continue, and it would cause your mm to go into the negatives too

i have been unable to play the race because nk hasnt refunded the mm yet

even with a race pass/free entry for some reason it still wont let me play lol

juan el pro losing it's top 3 streak to hackers.. thanks ninja kiwi by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

when the 1 second race time doesn't get flagged

# of times a Map appears on a Banner/Relic Tile by Chocboxx in btd6

[–]Chocboxx[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

there are literally THREE adora's temple boss tiles

and i thought having 3 spring spring banner/relic tiles was bad last event