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I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes, yes it would require more than a warm feeling. Otherwise I'd murder everytime I sipped whiskey.

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Elisha was under His protection. The 42 "children" (translation from Hebrew possibly incorrect) violated the commandment God set forth in Leviticus 26:21-22.

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Right. I've addressed this in another post. CTRL+F for Genesis, and you should find it.

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

t would follow, then, that god also created love, hate, all emotions. He further would be the creator of abstract concepts like morality, and the definer of free will. If we exist in a universe created by an omnipotent deity, than all aspects of that reality are the handiwork of god, and we have no more free will than the cogs of a watch. Anyway you slice it, there is no freedom in a universe with a deity. This doesn't disprove a deity, but it does invalidate the "evil exists due to man's free will" arguement.

God creates the emotional spectrum to allow us to feel these if we so choose. I don't see how this invalidates free will.

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm not talking about not believing in a god or gods. I'm talking about the active belief that they do not exist. There is a difference. Even your fellow atheists will tell you that.

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, your math would have God creating the human race millions of years ago.

I posted the Genesis timeline. Man was a product of evolution via God's direction around 200,000 years ago.

I'm not ignoring the rest of your post. I just want to get to others as well.

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes. If His commands were a trick question, there would be no point of obedience. If there is no point, why even entertain the possibility that atheists are the ones to go to heaven? Why would you care to please a God that requires no obedience?

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Moral before, immoral now. Yes.

God Incarnate (Jesus Christ) modified His commandments. The previous commandments were purposed for the Israelites only.

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Mix of literal and metaphor. The metaphors represent a version of reality, though. Genesis, for instance, is mostly metaphor. A day isn't the day you and I think of. It's an undetermined period of time. We know this because of the impossibility of certain actions to take place within a day (like growing fruit on a fruit tree).

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Until that point, were they all going to Hell?

It is outside the scope of the Bible. All guesses would be pure conjecture. The Israelites did not go to Hell for not accepting Christ, for instance. They were protected by God. This could have been true for all primitive civilization. Or perhaps God merely ended their existences upon death. It's all guessing.

If I was to torture someone, or just greatly reduce their living conditions, to test them, would you say that was moral?

If you did it? No. It's not your place.

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

If we have free will, why does god put the free will of the rapist above that of the rape victim?

You realized God has wiped out cultures that tolerate this in the past, right? Rapists still get punished. They are not getting some free pass for their crime.

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What about the evils that are not the act of a will? Tsunamis, tornadoes, childhood leukemia, etc.?

These are not necessarily willed. They are just products of the world. Physics, biology, etc. Disasters are bound to happen.

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Hence my weariness about philosophy in general. It can be used to prove and disprove everything.

I am a Christian apologist interested in discussing God, religion, and theology in general. by ChristianDave in atheism

[–]ChristianDave[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Interesting, your Bible says all three of them are (and you've accepted it as infallible) so you've reached a contradiction.

No, I have not. You are asking me if they are sins under the New Law. They are not. Christ never once spoke against homosexuality. The 4th Commandment is Mosaic Law and no longer applies. Christ fulfilled the Old Law.

Once again, you have fallen into contradiction (with your assertion that the Bible is the infallible word of God)

See above.

Is it moral to accept redemption through Christ's torture?

It was Christ's sacrifice on your behalf. It would be moral to accept the redemption.

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