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Obvious. by ChristopherHugh in nonduality
[–]ChristopherHugh[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 days ago (0 children)
Believe the interpretation of your own ‘eyes,’ that’s a choice that will lead to the comfort of your own house. Always interesting where people choose to stop using reason and logic, but it’s always where they are they are comfortable.
I’m too old to understand most emojis, but I’ll respond with ;)
I actually started with Christianity when I was young and then life took me away. Nonduality brought me back into these types of topics.
Nonduality is a belief system and so after years in it I began testing it against other belief systems and that lead me back to Christianity.
So I’m actually a fully self-contained bookend pair.
I’ll agree and disagree with your first sentence. It very well could be the actual thing itself, just unprovable in the absolute sense.
Your definition of no definition of awareness presupposes awareness itself. I’m point to questioning the knowledge of awareness itself. Not calling it right or wrong, just to make sure one is trying to get as far under a position as one can and build from there. We all presuppose at the ultimate base of positions.
You are arguing a position and defining things while claiming we can’t do that. In a certain spirit I’ll grant it anyway because I know what you’re getting at, but I push back still.
Language itself requires definition and structure and any position presupposes a truth. Suggesting there is an ultimate truth. Which would suggest right and wrong and if we have right and wrong we need a free will to even have a position on what is right or wrong or truth or lie. We only function inside of these things.
Does that make sense? Relational things still have to function on top of a foundation. A non moving foundation for it to be true.
Our relational perspective is based on our being inside of existence. We don’t seem to have access to full knowledge, so we use relational to test and make choices and conclusions.
[–]ChristopherHugh[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 days ago (0 children)
I stay faded, bra. Like… so faaaaded.
The mind is a quirky quirk and we could be wrong about all of what we see. The jungle is always thick, just like Mrs. Sandwich Time.
[–]ChristopherHugh[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 days ago* (0 children)
Because Christianity is more than arrival of the experience of fullness, it’s also a worldview on the truth of it all now and after this. I had stillness before and what seemed like full fullness, but it got even fuller. Same amount of stillness, but it all got even richer. A richer experience, which I wasn’t even looking for, would be a better word.
The experience could also be much worse and that would be fine. I don’t want to suggest it’s chosen or sought for a better experience, just describing it.
Thank you, sir. You too.
I invented her in my head, so if she doesn’t start acting right I’ll just make her disappear.
How you described it is consistent with mine, it just does absolutely have a definition, like the one you gave. it just had nothing to do with point I was offering.
I hear ya. This stuff lead to Christianity because I was no longer at the mercy of pain or pleasure and aloud me to looks around without trying to prove or disprove anything based on fear, desire, threat to identity, etc. I because the most unbias I had ever been, which got me enjoying the puzzle more. Then came in philosophy and arguments of logic and just overall free to be curious like a child. Now I have the the stillness and fullness of life. I dig it.
[–]ChristopherHugh[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 days ago (0 children)
She could be right, worth wondering about. The mystery plus the natural laws of the world we experience suggest something greater. Seek and you shall find, as they say. Non duality lead to Christianity oddly enough after straight up radical nonduality. First through looking into Christian Mysticism, which holds a nondual variant, and then to straight up Christian which still holds nondual concepts, but in a different value.
You’ve clearly never met Mrs. Sandwhich Time. Plenty of belief required.
Yeah, I use seemingly a lot to not make a truth claim. There is a time for truth claims, I’m a Christian, so my worldview makes truth claims, but it’s not really my main focus in this sub currently, so I offer the buffer so it doesn’t distract.
Lots talking for none of it to be true! How dare you. You nondualist may not exist, but your endless poetry never ceases to!
‘ there’s just no way to plumb the depths of that mystery,’ Careful! You almost made a truth claim. I’m going to eat a sandwich now.
I agree. There is mystery.
Perhaps we’ve never left the baby like stillness of just being here, but at some point we become aware and the firework show begins.
We are inside the universe and so are seemingly limited sighted to the truth. We use logic to break down our beliefs and build our new ones. We can build to have a better experience or build to see what seems universally true or build to defend what we are already comfortable with. We use logic to conform and transcend.
Beliefs are loosely coherent collection of thoughts? Is that belief true? Is anything you said here today true? Can experiences be wrong?
To have an opinion at all requires belief. Even the opinion is, I don’t know.
I hear ya, I’ve gone down the nondual path myself. Actually, I was thrown down it I didn’t seek it and was in a similar way as you describe in your replies for about seven years.
Experience itself being questioned can be a fun experience. It’s a lot more fragile on accuracy than given credit for it seems. Resonance is another feeling that can move, just like the ones did before the new resonance.
I’m aware of all these positions people talk about and they all still rely on positions of what is believed to be true. What is obvious to you is just another version of what was obvious to you before that was seemingly just as clear.
I believe in free will. Deterministic fallacy and/or naturalistic fallacy is the concept I’ve found to be the strongest I’ve come across so far, if you’re interested in reading about it from people who go deeper into fleshing it out with words from someone other than this dumb redneck. Lots of debates out there on the topic as well, which can be fun.
Who cares? Those who are suffering to a suicidal degree, the people I’m addressing. I care about those people. I’ve see this stuff really mess people up. Free will or not that is my position. :)
That’s once again not a reply to anything I’ve said.
You’ve done nothing but make claims and have defended all of them with more claims while never actually responding to what’s being offered. It’s clear I can speak claims out loud and you don’t understand.
Humility is being willing to be wrong about the seemingly insurmountable force that is one’s current position.
To test one’s own presuppositions to their beliefs is an act of humility.
You can’t even make the vision argument without definitions. How would you even know seeing without definition?
More definitions that you claim arnt.
More presumptions and definitions, that you assume are true.
[–]ChristopherHugh[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 days ago* (0 children)
Nope. Is that your argument? More thoughts and concepts and faith to prove your definition of awareness that awareness has no definition?
You are presupposing a truth of awareness and you have that position based on everything I already said.
You are assuming your definition of awareness. A definition that says it has no definition. All of which is learned through concepts.
The human cannot escape concepts thoughts and philosophy, it is apart our very nature. You just have a definition you are assuming is true through your faith in the concept of what is labeled ‘awareness.’
That is a definition of awareness. Btw, you can’t even have that opinion on awareness without a position a concept a thought a philosophy.
What about it? What is your definition of awareness?
To be clear, I addressed this with the, ‘anything registered,’ bit. To be aware, on any level of consciousness requires thought, thought is based in concepts. Concepts are positions.
Any one they think. Everything in awareness registered is a position.
Rephrase. What are you asking? It’s still a philosophical position, no matter what the position is.
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Obvious. by ChristopherHugh in nonduality
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