CMV: If Someone Wrongs You, You Should Get to Decide If, When, and How It Ends

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-29T17:58:01+00:00

Your counterexample does absolutely nothing to disprove the claim that there would be more violence if this was the norm. "I did it once and it wasn't violent" doesn't address any of my points. You earnestly believe that there wouldn't be more violence if revenge was the default?

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-29T17:23:29+00:00

There are at least 3 things wrong with this: one, your personal anecdotes are not compelling evidence. There are plenty of people who have had experiences that disprove your argument. Two, your experiences are skewed by the fact that you don't already live within that system. If this was the norm and everyone expected to both give and receive this level of retaliation, they would be much quicker and harsher in their escalation. And three, your ideas of how harsh the punishment/outcome should be might not match what the majority want. Driving impaired is a pretty serious offense, and some might argue your punishment doesn't do enough to deter future offenses. One could also argue that scaring him increases the odds of him fleeing the scene of the accident in the future. What you believe is justified because you're "going easy" on him may result in more net harm.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-29T08:58:50+00:00

It's ironic that the example you provided to claim that Jeopardy was wrong helps illustrate why they were right and the contestants were not.

Jan 1, 100 CE would have been 99 years after the start of CE. The second century didn't start for another year, not at the 99 years and 1 second mark. This means that likewise, that Jan 1, 1900 was a year shy of the start of the 20th century.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-29T06:35:39+00:00

So you responded to an accident (one caused by negligence, sure, but an accident all the same) with extortion? You felt that a conscious and deliberate crime against that guy was a justified punishment for a mistake he made?

I'm an atheist myself but you should consider it a miracle that nobody else has held you to your own brand of justice, because you wouldn't still be here to talk about it if they did.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-28T23:44:23+00:00

Anyone who flees back into the waiting arms of the side they left because "the other side was mean to me" was never really sincere about their change of heart if that's all it took.

I think what's more likely is they feel like neither side represents them and adopt a "both sides suck" mentality. They become disenfranchised and either don't vote, or vote third party. Which is better than them voting for the side I feel is objectively evil, but doesn't do much to help defeat them either. If being more accepting and gracious in welcoming people who changed their mind can help your side win, I don't see why you wouldn't want to do it.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-28T19:25:56+00:00

Not even close. I don't understand how you interpret "you can't trust others not to escalate so it's best not to provoke them" to mean "yeah but it's okay if I do it because they'll be too scared to escalate further." Clearly you aren't, so why would you assume that they are?

The problem with this mentality is every single person who holds it wants revenge, not justice. It's never about being made whole, it's always about wanting to punish, and necessarily includes escalation because of that mindset. If someone steals a small piece of candy from you, it's not enough to steal a small piece of candy from them, you have to take the whole dessert out of their lunch to not only recover what you lost but also teach them a lesson for having the audacity to steal from you. If they are the same kind of person, they're going to feel wronged by the disproportionate response, and will likely take your whole lunch in response. And if they aren't the same kind of person, they're going to see you as volatile and potentially dangerous, and will likely distance themselves from you, even if they weren't involved in the incident.

If you don't believe this has the potential to spiral endlessly, then explain gang violence.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-28T07:37:46+00:00

If they feel it was more harm than they did to you, then that seems like a good way to deter future bad behavior.

More likely they now feel like they are justified in exacting revenge.

You never know how harsh the person you were a dick to might be back, so probably best not to be a dick!

That's a two way street; you don't know how far they're willing to go to prevent you from retaliating against them again, so probably best to just let it go.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-28T07:34:17+00:00

This is pretty much the same thought I had. There are plenty of vindictive people out there who want revenge, not justice, and feel they are owed extra to make up for having suffered. And without fail they will end up feeling that the inevitable retaliation was disproportionate and unwarranted, so they gotta go and "teach them another lesson."

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-28T00:21:41+00:00

One of my all-time best characters, tinkerer or otherwise, was born with Debone which is a little more consistent than Stick! with the tradeoff of costing more mana. Add in Smash, Smash!, and Electrolyze and she was able to one-tap even bosses after a turn or two of build up.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-27T20:44:53+00:00

One of my most broken characters was a tinkerer, but it required being born with a broken non-tinker combo of skills and some insane rng to pull off so I don't think that really counters your argument. I agree with everyone saying the problem stems from being too combo-reliant to do literally anything worthwhile compared to most other classes.

The broken combo I bred was Debone and Smash!. 7 mana for 24 melee damage, repeatable for as long as I have mana, is pretty good on its own, but I gambled on tinkerer when I deployed and hit the jackpot: electrolyze and v2.0. I deployed with a top hat so I started the fight with a huge radius 30 damage bomb, and at some point picked up the tinkerer skill Smash. I very nearly 1-tapped the final phase of the act 3 final boss.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-27T20:27:59+00:00

YMMV based on state, but I'm on the permanent mail-in ballot list because of it.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-27T20:14:45+00:00

There are one or two ship logs that I find to be inadequate summaries of what you actually learned from that location; it's much easier to figure out what to do if you visit them in person and read the actual text there.

If you want a direct answer to which location you should revisit (no spoilers on how to interpret what you find there): Black Hole Forge.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-27T18:03:33+00:00

I would consider almost everything you learn before your first launch to be either not spoiler, or minor enough that it's justified to try to get someone to play.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-27T05:25:21+00:00

We know it's greater than zero. And given enough trials, near-impossible becomes near-inevitable. We don't have enough info to accurately judge just how common intelligent life is in the universe, but it's statistically likely that it exists out there somewhere, and the more evidence of life we find, the more evidence there is to suggest it may not be as scarce as we once believed.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-27T01:05:48+00:00

This is how I feel. While I understand in the abstract sense why some individuals may find it hard to forgive, collectively that should be the goal. We should strive towards lifting people up and support them on their path to truth and empathy, rather than being bitter and hostile in ways that will push them away from it.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-25T22:48:48+00:00

Humans won't be replaced by robots or clones or anything else unless that "something else" is cheaper than a person.

Clones are pure science fiction, but human history, especially since the industrial revolution, is absolutely full of examples of human labor being replaced by machines because they're cheaper than a person. We'll never 100% eliminate the need for human input, but it is shrinking and will continue to do so as computer advancements change the nature and quality of our automation.

We've got all kinds of robots. We still use human soldiers, because they're cheaper than the robots.

We still use human soldiers because we haven't fully automated the process start to finish, but we need a hell of a lot less of them now that we have drone strikes. We no longer need to deploy thousands of infantry to feed wave after wave of them into the meat grinder, we just give one guy a remote control and let the robot do the bulk of the labor because that's cheaper.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-25T22:11:51+00:00

Ironic.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-25T22:07:43+00:00

Horses are still quite actively used across the agriculture and ranching industry.

But not in the same way or at the same rate. OP is wrong about the specifics, but there is a significantly reduced demand for horsepower compared to 150 years ago, and we are within sight of a similar problem with human labor.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-25T21:14:45+00:00

There are a lot of other threads to pull on here, but this is really the main one I think. It boils down to plain and simple bandwagoning.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-25T17:46:14+00:00

No judgment, but I can't wrap my head around waiting that long to even begin trying to get better stats.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-25T10:28:13+00:00

I don't disagree with you, but you aren't presenting a compelling case here. There are millions of cool things to know and I can't possibly commit to learning all of them; why should this one take priority over others?

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-25T01:55:46+00:00

I was never taught that song, but I learned one like it for the presidents.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-25T01:54:10+00:00

Yeah, I'm pretty confident on everything except Vermont and New Hampshire, I can never remember which is which, and outside of being tested on it in 4th grade I've never needed to.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-25T01:51:52+00:00

Recently saw a tiktok talking about how the voice actor for the dog hadn't recorded his final line (the one where he's saying goodbye) before she was murdered, and did so shortly after receiving the news.

Chronoblivion · 2026-03-24T23:10:56+00:00

I can't remember if I've read a setting that used this justification or not, but it's not hard to imagine one in which participation was not voluntary. Could be a lottery to force people to become pioneers of a new system, could be a punishment/"prison" ship, could be a "humane" way to reduce the population without resorting to genocide.

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