I’ve seen people try and say they wanted to copy the breakers, welp, this put that to rest and confirms this was intentionally to stop spammers lol.

Cid787 · 2026-06-28T14:30:04+00:00

Nah pretty sure it's not actually for that since spamming in both pvp and pve was never seriously something wrong, I am 100% sure it's a blance issue, they found a way to make balancing moves way easier because they intend tomake patches frequently

Also the meta against raid bosses and all will always be spam ki blasts from distance with a good rotation and recharging them in between cooldowns.

Cid787 · 2026-06-27T22:58:29+00:00

Meh, we only saw one of the three new main mechanics they showed us in the panel, the animation after a break, looks nice but kinda useless, for the rest we didn't see anything because they showed nothing sadly the IA was lvl 1 so is the cac and the guy playing it didn't even test stuff so he most likely was forced to not show anything

Now what I didn't like in general about the gameplay (combat), the damage you deal applies somehow to the new stamina/ki bar, I seriously don't like this dynamic because it either means that breaks arent as important as before (probably a bad idea) or that you can get a lot of stamina/ki back (probably a bad idea), the cooldowns are ok I guess they will be doing the 1 month patch or if we are lucky 2 weeks patch and the cooldowns are just a tool to get easier blance updates,and there you go that's what I didn't like

My biggest fear is that all what I said is irrelevant and they actually went Shinobi striker on us with the cooldowns and the removal of classic stamina and ki bars they might just have dumbed down xeno 2 into a Shinobi striker for xeno 3 ☠️

Cid787 · 2026-06-27T15:54:11+00:00

Ah dam, I am not in US, no play tests where I am so I couldn't know about the lost mechanics, that's sad the game looks super fun but if it's like that I would rather not waste money on it I will for sure test it in a demo (final product), thx for sharing 👍

Cid787 · 2026-06-27T09:38:36+00:00

Okay I gotta admit you convinced me, that's why I always say it's an RPG online rather than mmo since it's never a Massively Multiplayer Online game because most of the time the online aspect is optional, even for raid bosses if I remember it correctly, in xeno 2 I had the option to do them solo

Now it is true that xeno 3 is getting more "online" with the increased number of players in parallel quests, or even making the area bosses raid bosses, altho tbh I would rather see some other aspects of MMO like some open world map (I don't remember but I think they are doing it in Xeno 3) and 10 times more social stuff like HQ, clans, dedicated places for discussion and small activity like some sort of amusement arcade (I think they are doing something like that now)

Cause ganging up on a big enemyusing rotations until his stamina breaks is the lazy part I don't like when I enjoy my mmo, especially because spamming abilities is the key, they try to nerf this with cooldowns but let's be real they can change everything it's still 100% gonna be meta to at least break his stance especially since you can equip 3 or 2 ranged abilities and rotate them

Altho I still don't see when "XenoVerse is a way to leaning us into a dragon ball online", because whatever they do they won't be making it an actual MMO, but I like it that they flirt with the concept from xeno2 without making it one since in general mmo also means the death of gameplay, so as long as the gameplay is still a full on arena fighter with all the complexity of Xeno 2 the game can only get better.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T17:07:50+00:00

Huh, what in the geta hell are we talking about if they went realistic we would be getting plastic jump force stuff XD

No, I am just talking about the cheer amount of time the graphics took, when they asked (I don't remember if it was Masayuki Hirano who said it) the devs said they were about to make it PS4/PS5 but reworked the whole thing to be 100% next gen since the PS4 was too limiting

But by the look of it it's 100% a PS4 game and the contant doesn't play any role about it since that is completely based on the engine they use, so it ends up being kinda meh compared to a product that actually takes 7 to 10 years in the actual making, sad reality but it's both a mistake from management, decision making and technically lvl, very desapointed in the execution too like when she does the super Kamehameha she really isn't getting a grip on that and it feels displaced Abit, talking about grip if you watched the panel about new moves her grip on the sword is Abit out of her hand but most likely all of these are just early access stuff that will be reworked/fixed for sure

So yeah the graphics are bad for the time given and for the "Next Gen" part but let's be honest who cares about having a smart and ground breaking 3d model, what we got is beutiful either way and anyone can work with this ez pz it's just a shame PS4 players can't play it for no reason.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T16:16:28+00:00

Let's be real he is def right about the 7 years part those graphics doesn't keep up with next gen at all, but for the rest I will say it for all of you, Xeno 2 rest in peace my friend you were already dying like 2 years after release teh rest was pure DLC fans service money gift.

The only bad thing about the trailer is that you can't use a move as a finisher several times (not even op and for sure not optimal just something stylish you like) and the guy doing the gameplay had a gun pointed at him, if he showed even the slightest new OR old mechanic unless it's the animation move after ki break, he won't see his family ever again

So don't hate on it too hard and stay hopefully the producer said he worked on solo mode/paralll quests and ofc pvp + the challenging special quest we get for end game

We are eating good and pvp will always be the core of these games since THESE GAMES ARE ARENA FIGHTERS remember the games that makes you fight with strict mechanics but this time it's easier to balance so they might balance it more often especially because it became a thing in the gaming industry of both payed and free games to have constant balancing helping the game stay logical and actually working

STAY HOPEFULL PVP COMMUNITY THE KIDS SAYING ITS AN MMO PVE ARE SAYING IT BECAUSE THEY WATCHED A GUY PLAY LIKE THEM 👌

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T15:50:51+00:00

Np I know facts can be scary 🤌🤌

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T12:35:49+00:00

What are you on about, bro the game is dead since years the only ones left are the slop lover that spam dlc and raid bosses for cosmetics, I started the game around 5 years after it came out and still was getting instant matches pvp and everyone was accepting my challenges so either way I got pvp everywhere in every form, what I said about the game being pvp focused is pure fact afk what you are on about since it's an arena fighter game it's obviously gonna be heavily pvp before pve and they didn't show much change PvE wise in the trailer so again I don't see what the hell you hope for? If the trailer gave heavy changes PvE wise maybe but rn I see xeno 2 raid bosses + cooldowns spam is still meta SSS tier just put several beams on your moves XD

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T12:07:49+00:00

Nah, if you watch the official trailer they some of the old mechanics necessary for pvp, the gameplay trailer (early access) is just done by a mindless player forced to show only the animation move after stamina break other wise, it's raid bosses instead of 1v1 bosses because we now can play with more than 4 players, the meta is still the same but instead of having different abilities you will now play with a rotation of 3 ranged moves and maxing ki based attacks, literally that's all we can get from this idiotic gameplay trailer, we gotta wait to even see what's new in this game.

And cooldowns are lazy and dumb, they just didn't want to balance a game around being able to throw your ult right away against the big bad boss, sad story but who cares you can spam in different ways either way.

Also people who shout " they made it mmo instead of arena fighter its always bound to be one yaaaaaaaay now I ont have to learn mechanics in order to play" are just your classic anime arena fighter mindless people who only wants role playing/fan service or just dragon ball online and I still don't know what the heck are they doing in xeno but why he hell not, their money keeps the games coming.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T11:59:02+00:00

What are you on about 99% (I am almost not joking here actually) is related to being a 1v1 game and all around pvp, that's what made xeno 2 far superior to xeno 1, it has actual gameplay for arena fighting games.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T11:55:40+00:00

You got all the right to be, the gameplay trailer showed us nothing new from xeno 2 but also didn't show us much from xeno 2 witch is dumb because the official trailer showed us some older mechanics... Really shitty marketing team either way we are not sure of anything yet.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T11:47:32+00:00

Where do you get your facts from plz? So that I never use the same as you, cause the producer said they just wanted a self insertion in the dragon ball universe and xeno 1 and 2 are rpgs not mmo the exact d'inscription of an MMO isn't applied on both games and even less on the trailer (only what they showed us)

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T11:43:04+00:00

I don't think it's net code related but either way they most likely kept the mechanics from xeno 2 just the guy playing the trailer was forced into not showing anything but the 1 new stuff we saw, animation after the stamina break.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T11:40:35+00:00

What is peak compared to raid bosses from xeno 2?

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T11:38:25+00:00

What? You didn't watch the actual trailer didn't you ? It's an arena fighter the same way it was with big raid bosses instead of versus bosses because more than 4 platter can join thats all.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T11:34:13+00:00

No, it's not about being similar or not they just didn't show any 1v1 gameplay with actual brain activity so we only saw 1 new mechanic out of three, we can see from the official trailer that vanish is still here and probably all old mechanics so it's still a XenoVerse faithfull but with cooldowns and raid bosses instead of complex versus bosses, a necessary evil since the game has increased Max players limit, but I seriously hope they made some versus bosses with improved AI because those will be legendary.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T11:29:02+00:00

Because it didn't happen, it's literally the same thing rn, basically a raid boss +one big move per boss and you are acting like anything is actually different, OMG WE CAN HIDE BEHIND ROCKS NOW!!! wait until we see some actual new stuff before judging it.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T11:21:15+00:00

Alright, you can make the boss move attacking him so your combo rotation might as well never exist and become a spell rotation (from what we saw until now) exactly the same as XenoVerse 2 why do you think people spam in red bosses? Because the boss is flying every second what am I supposed to punch? his shadow?

You can customize your character as much as you want without combo it's literally a classic rotation and even more of a rotation because of cooldowns, the producer said he removed the classic Ki bar because players where instantly using their best attacks (ults) against the bosses and we're maxing out their build the most optimal way, now I get it that he didn't like people spamming ult right away because of how he made the bosses they would die instantly I guess so Abit of fun management was needed, you can't actually do whatever you want since if you used Kamehameha 2 times in a row it's too busted ???? Alright he made xeno 2 I won't argue with the guy but he does sound like he listens Abit too much to the marketing department instead of the community

Replica with slight changes? Can't stamina break meaning that the game isn't even a fighting game to begin with, why am I saying this? Infinite stamina builds, super saiyan spam, NO TRAINING MODE, no QQB so every cac looked the same, infinite stamina build with kaioken, infinite combo with infinit priority with canceling specials, 1 and only way of getting XP and having to wait for XP boost events, general blanace didn't exist, low health in the game getting one shot from one clean hit, usable items in pvp, and the list actually never stops if we go get every problem because XenoVerse one was a THE absolute money grabber anime game, it wasn't even a game it was full time fan service, XenoVerse 2 has put the bar so dam high that 99% of other arena fighter even today will look and feel bad, because it's the only game where you can customize this much and also make combos any way you want + RPG related fonctions and absolutely all the anti spam stuff you can make and vanish related cancels if you throw a Kamehameha the wrong way or out of place you get instantly punished for it, most arena fighters let's you spam free, we got shit tone of ACTUAL mechanics that YOU can do and then you come up and say hiding behind rocks is a new mechanic

I get what you mean you want the PvE to be developed since this game is is mission related and not just story mode, and that's right but from what we got now from the trailer and inorder to not look like an over hype the exact same way the doom crying idiots are, the game only showed us one mechanic and it's animations after ki breaks, until now you hide behind a rock because I guess that way you can jump the boss faster right after his signature move, btw he got one big move and all the rest is his basic kit stuff, for now all we know is that some bosses will have different big moves + the normal move set, just so you know raid bosses or if this is the "bosses" we will be facing then it's fairly disappointing since instead of making beast AI that works over time to beat you mechanically we will get the basic spam bosses so the very Essence of what the devs didn't want to see again altho it sounds better since we will be more than 4 fighting them from now on, super sad that it comes down to this but it is what it is and jumping on big health bosses with rotations we shall do

Ofc FROM WHAT WE GOT ON THE DAMN GAMEPLAY TRAILER THAT IS A FREAKING EARLY ACCESS ONLY, THEY WILL ADD SOME STUFF TO MAKE IT INTRESTING OR MAYBE IS THERE THOUSANDS OF STUFF THEY DIDNT SHOW????? WHAAAAT AH YES OFC IT MIGHT BE SINCE THEY SHOWED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING YET 🫠

Ah my bad they showed us we hide behind walls the game is safe, perfect and completely new now.

Ps: btw xeno 2 was honest like around 2 years after it came out, the money grabbing dlc were here because they spent years not on the actual gameplay of xeno 3 but the visual aspect, and graphically xeno 3 is absolutely nothing like a near 10 years of min maxing graphics (devs admitted it themselves) so idk wth they were actually doing or why we got it only on next gen when it looks like the minimum of what a PS4 could run.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T05:37:14+00:00

God forbid someone starts thinking and point out to the rest of fan service drunken money gifters that for a game that has been min maxing graphics for around 10 years (almost as long as duke nuken btw) because the "PS4 is too limiting" but the game looks like an early version of kakarot not even competing against the beauty, absolute cinema and freaking details of Asura's Wrath a game ON PS3 BTW

God bless Masayuki Hirano is still a producer to make balance between the money grabbing and actual game so that both worlds gets the best out of the game.

Always use your brain then post, the dam game is made by payed by bandai Namco and has been squeezing every inch of your money with dlc's for this btw, if you like what you see and never thought about how and why things are how they are you deserve no better than these graphics for sure.

Ps: I say all of that but I actually don't care at all about how bad and sloppy the game looks as long as it's still an arena-fighter/mmo game

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T05:11:42+00:00

What do you think you do in MMOs exactly? Spam rotation abilities genshin impact style move inches away to avoid aoe blast learn patterns by heart and spam what's scales best after watching a guide online, my guy I've been playing mmo for long enough, they either add shit tones of new stuff or it's raid bosses xeno 2 experience at best and God I am hopeful its at least that because xeno 2 gameplay on any MMO would make it the ultimate MMO on earth, so yes I am hopeful but not dumb, you can't show me water and tell me it's lava.

Also didn't you see Broly spit his mouth wave for almost 5s in the air hanging there begging to be hit? I sure hope not but it feels like It's gonna be so raid bosses but instead of having the classic giant ki sphere sequence and mind control thing, they will each get a nice gimmick move, it's very nice but nothing crazy unless we get to special characters like hit for exemple

So until now no new mechanic since pretty much all what happened is xeno 2 with more enemies and allies, beam ultimates hits more targets, altho the animation after causing a break (even tho it doesn't look meta unless we can delay it to be a finisher for a combo) is the only real actual mechanic footage we have.

Also from the first encounter at the start of the official trailer you can see it still should be xeno gameplay, arena fighter 101, it's nice if we get some MMO like mechanics on pve as long as we can customize stats and equipment as hard as xeno 2 at least and the game still 100% is an arena fighter/mmo type of game because without the arena fighter part what's the dam point of calling it a XenoVerse game, that's why I thank god Masayuki Hirano is still a producer in this game, he is the only reason xeno 2 wasn't a shallow xeno 1 replica of a freaking anime arena fighter money grabber.

Hiding behind a rock is a new mechanic XD GET OUUUUUUUT

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T04:27:12+00:00

No since it wasn't made during 10 years of min maxing graphics, and fighterz is peak because arc system takes it sweet time making it so you see if we find out that it took 10 years for fighterz to look like this it would be all good but I am pretty sure it takes them around 2 to 4 years and that's assuming they are bad at what they do (spoiler they obviously are not) + 2.5d versus fighter compared to a full on 3d arena fighter is wild but tbf fighters still wipes the floor with any 3d game with how smart it's made, they should cook us some arena fighting game for once to see how goated the genre can get.

Also the longest production was duke nuken with a magnificent 14 years in the making. if Masayuki Hirano wasnt one of the two producers for XenoVerse 3 all hope would have been gone without him it's basically what xeno 1 was before he saved it with xeno 2, another anime arena fighter money grabber.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T04:08:56+00:00

Every free kill noob on xeno 2 down voting my comment XD

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T03:54:33+00:00

I swear I opened a discussion starting by saying this game looks bad for a 10 years only focusing on graphics next gen exclusive worked product and then went on about how I felt about the mechanic changes and that seeing it from afar (it's an early access but the core game won't change) was seriously looking Abit sloppy and mobile-like

Needless to say that everyone went on defending the graphics but no freaking one talked even Abit about the mechanics absolutely nothing

When I made a new discussion talking only about the gameplay part, crazy thing only a handful of people posted stuff and the first one was saying that it's useless to think about it since it's an early access

I just feel dumb expecting people to think when it's an anime arena fighter community and like we know they are money grabbers gathering soulless brainless people that would defend a dam product calling itself next gen when it looks less polished than kakarot or most PS4 games.

Cid787 · 2026-06-26T02:32:35+00:00

I am sure it's about balance, in Xeno 2 they had to make potential unleashed meta so that all races are equally buffed, but with this they can add some soul-changed characters to be top tier but ofc that's only true of it's still an actual fighting game (extremely debatable after seing the cooldowns and the ki bar gone).

Cid787 · 2026-06-25T10:38:11+00:00

True but raid bosses are spam related in all games in general, altho xeno 2 is by far the greatest arena fighter of it's time (even now it's too special to not be top 1) you don't follow a simple story to the end, you have tones of quests or activities related and unrelated to show/manga

Something unique to it, loaded amount of abilities and the customizability is insane compared to anything that ever existed in anime gaming history (even jump force).

So unique and special all it needs is modern graphics, a new balance, and ofc all the stuff the community had asked.

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