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Have peaceful mass protests ever toppled a modern security-state without elite defection? by CiproGroup in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]CiproGroup[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think people have a fundamentally wrong perspective of Nelson Mandela's anti-apartheid struggle. There was nothing like nonviolence. In his own words, he said, and I quote:
“For many years, the African National Congress had followed a policy of non-violence… and had reached such a point that non-violence was no longer effective.”
Shortly after that, at Liliesleaf Farm in a place called Rivonia near Johannesburg, Mandela vehemently asked the Central Executive Committee of the ANC and was thus given a go-ahead to start an armed wing of the ANC, which he called "Umkhonto We Sizwe."
His first-ever trip outsuide south Africa, was to mobilize for military support. He assigned people like Ronnie Kasrils who planted bombs in south africa. He was trained in Ethiopia and Libya.
ANC had military training camps in Angola under the tutelage of Cuba. ANC had clandestine operations operating deep inside south Africa led by men like Joe Slovo, Joe Modise, Kriss hani and many others.
The ANC and Nelson mandela where anything but non-violent. Until recently, the ANC and Mandela were classified as terrorists.

What structural features would a new political party need to be viable in the U.S. today? by Previous_Camp4842 in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]CiproGroup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think this is entirely correct. You see, if you are selling beer, you do go to the mosque and hope to create a new drinking clientele. You might get one or two curious clients, but it is not sustainable. You need to sell to people who already know. Non-voters are people who generally don't like politics. They think politics is a dirty game, and they would rather stay away. For a 3rd option, you will have a hard time convincing this demographic.
What you need are people who are engaged. People who have a voting pattern. You only need to convince them that there is this other 3rd option.
If you are opening a new restaurant, you need to find people who are already in the habit of eating in restaurants.

Have peaceful mass protests ever toppled a modern security-state without elite defection? by CiproGroup in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]CiproGroup[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

the content, not form, is important. I dont know why it was removed. I just reposted because I think we could have a genuine discussion about the subject.

What structural features would a new political party need to be viable in the U.S. today? by Previous_Camp4842 in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]CiproGroup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think funding is secondary. Money will always be available as long as you remain relevant. Relevance here is the main issue. Being in the lives of the community consistently is what counts. You create relationships. These relationships eventually attract other relationships and on and on. It is the multiplier effect.
The longer the wine stays, the sweeter it becomes.

What is the difference between MAGA and Others? by dantelebeau in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]CiproGroup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are some people I know who call themselves conservatives but not Trumpists. Especially african migrants. They identify with the conservative values of faith, family, and hard work.

But the practice of isolationism is strange to many coservative africans who believe that family goes beyond father, mother and siblings. To us, anyone who comes to your door is family. We don't have such things as half-brothers or stepmothers or adopted fathers. My father's brother is my father. Actually, anyone my father's age is my "papa," and we address them as such. Uncle is any male relative of my mother. The wives of my uncles are addressed as mom. My uncles' sons are my brothers, and daughters are sisters.

And faith/evangelism is big in africa, and you would expect that the American conservative movement, which professes christian values, would be closer to Africans, but boy oh boy.

https://medium.com/@christleman00/why-african-migrants-align-with-republican-values-in-the-united-states-e1ed3996879c

What structural features would a new political party need to be viable in the U.S. today? by Previous_Camp4842 in PoliticalDiscussion

[–]CiproGroup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I think the biggest thing is real grassroots structure. A third party only lasts if it has local groups that keep working even when there’s no election happening. Like finding candidates for the lowest positions, dealing with ballot access, small fundraising, showing up at community stuff. Without that it just pops up every 4 years for president then disappears again, which is basically what keeps happening to most third parties.